I agree with Alec here. If you've got complaints or want to be involved, use the ppml list - whether or not you make it to the meetings. Though the meetings indeed have a significant impact on policies, I'm pretty certain that if valid points are made on the mailing list they'll be considered at the meetings, and if they're not - whine about it on the ppml list -- that's what it's for...

So, again, who makes the decision that "whining" is heard? Or that points of view will be heard? -- Christian Kuhtz, Sr. Network Architect Architecture, BellSouth.net <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Atlanta, GA "Speaking for myself only."