Anyone know what happened to ORBS? I can't get their web page - all I get is "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. " I have my mail servers attempted at being used as relays and it becoming a spammers haven - some customers of mine are getting 1500+ messages and it's starting to become an issue. (From other people relaying to me) Any word? Ideas? I don't want to start a MAPS vs. ORBS thing here.... -Eric
At 02:15 PM 6/4/2001 -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
Anyone know what happened to ORBS? I can't get their web page - all I get is "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. "
Alan Brown posted some very terse comments and shut ORBS down. no explicit reason was given, but there were apparently a lot of things going on. in the absence of ORBS, MAPS RSS is about the only thing going for open relay tracking right now. there has been some rumor of other services appearing, but no solid details. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking -- Network Engineering, Software Development http://www.averillpark.net/ 518-573-7592
As I sit here I'm finding out more details - Apparently it's been ordered shut down by the courts? Any truth to this? -Eric <snip>
Anyone know what happened to ORBS? I can't get their web page - all I get is "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. "
Alan Brown posted some very terse comments and shut ORBS down. no explicit reason was given, but there were apparently a lot of things going on.
in the absence of ORBS, MAPS RSS is about the only thing going for open relay tracking right now. there has been some rumor of other services appearing, but no solid details.
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:24:46PM -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
As I sit here I'm finding out more details - Apparently it's been ordered shut down by the courts? Any truth to this?
If you check news.admin.net-abuse.email or SPAM-L you will find plenty on this subject -- please don't pollute the NANOG list with it. Thanks, --Adam
At 02:24 PM 6/4/2001 -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
As I sit here I'm finding out more details - Apparently it's been ordered shut down by the courts? Any truth to this?
there was certainly a report that ORBS got in trouble with the NZ courts over AB's response to a court order (reportedly, in response to an order to remove a group of IP blocks form ORBS, he responded by publicly announcing the list of IP addresses he was removing, in a manner likely to get those IP addresses manually added to lots of other lists, not the sort of move which would be endearing to the legal system in most countries.) richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking -- Network Engineering, Software Development http://www.averillpark.net/ 518-573-7592
In the referenced message, Richard Welty said:
At 02:24 PM 6/4/2001 -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
As I sit here I'm finding out more details - Apparently it's been ordered shut down by the courts? Any truth to this?
there was certainly a report that ORBS got in trouble with the NZ courts over AB's response to a court order (reportedly, in response
<snip> Not to confuse Alan Brown with the venerable Spam Fighter AB (AfterBurner) currently with RCN.
Richard Welty wrote:
At 02:15 PM 6/4/2001 -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
Anyone know what happened to ORBS? I can't get their web page - all I get is "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. "
Alan Brown posted some very terse comments and shut ORBS down. no explicit reason was given, but there were apparently a lot of things going on.
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On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:15:14PM -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
Anyone know what happened to ORBS? I can't get their web page - all I get is "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available. "
http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=Pine.BSF.4.10.10105312151260.5583-... -- John Payne http://www.sackheads.org/jpayne/ john@sackheads.org http://www.sackheads.org/uce/ Fax: +44 870 0547954 To send me mail, use the address in the From: header
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 02:15:14PM -0400, Eric Whitehill wrote:
Anyone know what happened to ORBS? I can't get their web page - all I get is "Due to circumstances beyond our control, the ORBS website is no longer available."
Manawatu Internet Services, the ISP owned and operated by Alan Brown which hosted ORBS, has gone out of business. There was a court case between Telecom NZ and Actrix involving ORBS, which may also have some bearing, but the closure of MIS is the only factual-looking data I have seen (see below). ----- Forwarded message from Matt Camp <gargoyle@noise.net.nz> ----- Delivered-To: jabley-nznog@automagic.org X-Authentication-Warning: smtp4.ihug.co.nz: Host qmailr@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz [203.109.158.50] claimed to be tombstone.b.org.nz Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 12:22:41 +1200 (NZST) From: Matt Camp <gargoyle@noise.net.nz> X-Sender: gargoyle@tombstone.paradise.gen.nz To: nznog@list.waikato.ac.nz Subject: (fwd) Re: NOTICE TO ALL (fwd) Precedence: bulk Posted to nz.net.admin: -- forwarded message -- I think that this will clear it all up. As the letter was sent to ALL MIS cutomers I will presume that it is not confidential in anyway, if it is I humbly appologise Alan. ######################################################################## The rumour mill is doing overtime, so it is time to make some announcements. 1: Manawatu Internet Services Ltd is closing down. 2: There will be no loss of service for MIS or Flatnet customers. The last 9 years of operation of Manawatu Internet Services Ltd (Dawghaus BBS up until 1994) have been enjoyable and entertaining, however the stress levels associated with operating a small ISP have been taking their toll on my health for the last 2-3 years and it really has become time to move on to different fields. Mercury Telecommunications Ltd have acquired all MIS operations and will take over all DNS hosting, Webhosting and dialup accounts previously handled by Manawatu Internet Services Ltd. I am aware that almost all MIS/MFN customers have been with us for a long time, so I have been at pains to ensure that the best deal has been struck for our customers. For 95% of MIS dialup clients, the transition will be seamless. The exceptions are those people running Windows 3.* or Macintosh machines, as these machines have nameserver settings manually entered and will need to be edited. Please contact me for more details if you feel you will need assistance to change things. There are also 5-10 account names which clash with existing Quicksilver account names so changes may need to be made for checking mail - we're still working out how to resolve this small problem. Noone will have any changes made to their email address. As a great benefit of the changeover, national dialup coverage will again be available and Mercury also offer some very good toll deals. The changeover of dialup access will take place during the coming week and official notice from Mercury Telecommunications will be sent by paper mail to all MIS/MFN clients shortly. If you have any queries, please contact me by email, or by phone. I extend my thanks to all clients for their support over the years and I hope that you will all continue to support your new ISP - they _will_ provide you with continued good service and support. Alan Brown Director, Manawatu Internet Services. -- end of forwarded message -- --------- To unsubscribe from nznog, send email to majordomo@list.waikato.ac.nz where the body of your message reads: unsubscribe nznog ----- End forwarded message -----
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