Re: FW: Tech contact for Qwest?
ekgermann@cctec.com (Eric Germann) writes:
I think today most are a little too liberal with the term engineer. Those of us who went the traditional route of education and earned the title as an ME, EE or CE sometimes bristle that we're lumped in with the guy who just passed his CNE from the books.
hmmm. then, how do you feel about being lumped in with highschool dropouts who have no certification whatsoever? -- Paul Vixie <vixie@mibh.net> >> But what *IS* the internet? > It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive > symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP > packet from". --Seth Breidbart
On 22 Aug 1999, Paul Vixie wrote:
hmmm. then, how do you feel about being lumped in with highschool dropouts who have no certification whatsoever?
I am a highschool dropout (I did at least take the GED) and have no certification, so far it has not bee a problem. When I look for people, I want someone that is dedicated, has the ability to learn, and can work without being managed all the time. I have hired many people with specialized tech degrees that were just worthless. I am not saying everybody with a degree is stupid, but having one does not help you that much in my book. -- Check out the new CLEC mailing list at http://www.robotics.net/clec
<> Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting http://www.robotics.net nathan@robotics.net
-- Paul Vixie <vixie@mibh.net>
I am a highschool dropout (I did at least take the GED) and have no certification, so far it has not bee a problem. When I look for people, I want someone that is dedicated, has the ability to learn, and can work without being managed all the time. I have hired many people with specialized tech degrees that were just worthless. I am not saying everybody with a degree is stupid, but having one does not help you that much in my book.
i couldn't've said it better. thanks, nathan.
Back to my original complaint.... The people that I have issue with are not the highschool dropouts. These are people in the NOC supposedly versed in routing protocols. I know the requirements for 2nd level engineers and they invariably include a CE or an EE degree and several years real experience. Why then would a technician call me back in regards to a ticket I opened through a BGP_specific maildrop and not know what BGP was? The only reason I can fathom is disorganization. There are some NSP's out there that are similar if not very similar to the "highschool engineer". There should be more policy behind their practice. Michael Heller Sr. Systems Engineer Earthweb, Inc. 212.448.4175 mikeh@earthweb.com On 22 Aug 1999, Paul Vixie wrote:
ekgermann@cctec.com (Eric Germann) writes:
I think today most are a little too liberal with the term engineer. Those of us who went the traditional route of education and earned the title as an ME, EE or CE sometimes bristle that we're lumped in with the guy who just passed his CNE from the books.
hmmm. then, how do you feel about being lumped in with highschool dropouts who have no certification whatsoever? -- Paul Vixie <vixie@mibh.net>
But what *IS* the internet? It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP packet from". --Seth Breidbart
Because of politics and who you know and not what you know, and because of age discrimination removing all the people that did know because they became to expensive, so degree bias is the rule of thumb backed by the other two. Henry Mike Heller wrote:
Back to my original complaint.... The people that I have issue with are not the highschool dropouts. These are people in the NOC supposedly versed in routing protocols. I know the requirements for 2nd level engineers and they invariably include a CE or an EE degree and several years real experience. Why then would a technician call me back in regards to a ticket I opened through a BGP_specific maildrop and not know what BGP was? The only reason I can fathom is disorganization. There are some NSP's out there that are similar if not very similar to the "highschool engineer". There should be more policy behind their practice.
Michael Heller Sr. Systems Engineer Earthweb, Inc. 212.448.4175 mikeh@earthweb.com
On 22 Aug 1999, Paul Vixie wrote:
ekgermann@cctec.com (Eric Germann) writes:
I think today most are a little too liberal with the term engineer. Those of us who went the traditional route of education and earned the title as an ME, EE or CE sometimes bristle that we're lumped in with the guy who just passed his CNE from the books.
hmmm. then, how do you feel about being lumped in with highschool dropouts who have no certification whatsoever? -- Paul Vixie <vixie@mibh.net>
>> But what *IS* the internet? > It's the largest equivalence class in the reflexive transitive > symmetric closure of the relationship "can be reached by an IP > packet from". --Seth Breidbart
hmmm. then, how do you feel about being lumped in with highschool dropouts who have no certification whatsoever? -- Paul Vixie <vixie@mibh.net>
Ohhh, just - terrible -! :\ Next thing you know , you'll tell us people wear shorts to the Thomas J Watson Research center.... not just light shirts, and dark ties. :) Richard
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