short, two part question ICANN Vs. The World
Topic: ICANN Vs. The World. The question at hand is.. Do countries/businesses have to affiliate or utilize any of those services provided by ICANN other than the assignment of an IP address? And can you get away with LAN/CAN/MAN stand-alone systems [instead of utilizing DNS-via-ICANN]?? Example: Is it legal to cut off those DNS systems and loop in backwards? (instead of bidirectional). ** I don't want my city/schools/other systems hooked into the World Wide Web. // someone let me know when you get a chance.
Short answer, Yes .. provided you don't care if anyone can see it. Take a look at what NEW.NET tried with DNS back in the day. Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University ________________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of stovetop 202 <stovetop_202@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:45 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: short, two part question ICANN Vs. The World Topic: ICANN Vs. The World. The question at hand is.. Do countries/businesses have to affiliate or utilize any of those services provided by ICANN other than the assignment of an IP address? And can you get away with LAN/CAN/MAN stand-alone systems [instead of utilizing DNS-via-ICANN]?? Example: Is it legal to cut off those DNS systems and loop in backwards? (instead of bidirectional). ** I don't want my city/schools/other systems hooked into the World Wide Web. // someone let me know when you get a chance.
What do you mean by if anyone can see it? The lines are now closed off from the public's view.. but the textbooks still teach you that you should be able to have access freely. Is it the data on the hard line that you're worried people can see? On Monday, June 23, 2014 4:05 PM, Michael O Holstein <michael.holstein@csuohio.edu> wrote: Short answer, Yes .. provided you don't care if anyone can see it. Take a look at what NEW.NET tried with DNS back in the day. Cheers, Michael Holstein Cleveland State University ________________________________________ From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of stovetop 202 <stovetop_202@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 7:45 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: short, two part question ICANN Vs. The World Topic: ICANN Vs. The World. The question at hand is.. Do countries/businesses have to affiliate or utilize any of those services provided by ICANN other than the assignment of an IP address? And can you get away with LAN/CAN/MAN stand-alone systems [instead of utilizing DNS-via-ICANN]?? Example: Is it legal to cut off those DNS systems and loop in backwards? (instead of bidirectional). ** I don't want my city/schools/other systems hooked into the World Wide Web. // someone let me know when you get a chance.
On Mon, 23 Jun 2014, stovetop 202 wrote:
What do you mean by if anyone can see it? The lines are now closed off from the public's view.. but the textbooks still teach you that you should be able to have access freely. Is it the data on the hard line that you're worried people can see?
It would help if you'd provide an explanation of what you're trying to accomplish. It almost sounds like some combination of firewalls and proxy servers to provide some separation between your network(s) and the rest of the global Internet might be a more functional solution than doing odd things with DNS. Bear in mind that a lot of the answers you get will probably be along the lines of "it depends" or "this might work", and come with an implied disclaimer (no guarantees). People might also recommend that you consider engaging a consultant to design/build what you need. jms
In article <1403558512.59036.YahooMailNeo@web161403.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> you write:
What do you mean by if anyone can see it?
You can easily set up your own tree of DNS names and servers. The protocol is public, and the software is widely available for free. But if your DNS names and servers aren't findable starting from the ICANN root, your names won't resolve for anyone other than you and your close friends who happen to be using your names rather than ICANN's names. Like the guy said, read up on the failure of NET.NET, and about a dozen other alternate roots. Warning: you quickly get deep into tinfoil hat territory with the other alternates. R's, John
Is it legal to cut off those DNS systems and loop in backwards? (instead of bidirectional). ** I don't want my city/schools/other systems hooked into the World Wide Web. // someone let me know when you get a chance.
please do so on your network. it will reduce the nut postings on the internet. randy
The question at hand is.. Do countries/businesses have to affiliate or utilize any of those services provided by ICANN other than the assignment of an IP address?
No.
And can you get away with LAN/CAN/MAN stand-alone systems [instead of utilizing DNS-via-ICANN]??
Yes.
Example:
Is it legal to cut off those DNS systems and loop in backwards? (instead of bidirectional). ** I don't want my city/schools/other systems hooked into the World Wide Web. // someone let me know when you get a chance.
Yes. Sounds like you want private (discontiguous) network space. There is no need to be a part of the internet if you don't want to be, but that desire does not prevent you in any way from utilizing internet "technology" discontiguously (ie, separate and apart from the Internet).
On 23June2014Monday, at 22:55, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com> wrote:
The question at hand is.. Do countries/businesses have to affiliate or utilize any of those services provided by ICANN other than the assignment of an IP address?
No.
except for RFC 1918 and ULA space, which require no coordination whatsoever
And can you get away with LAN/CAN/MAN stand-alone systems [instead of utilizing DNS-via-ICANN]??
Yes.
Example:
Is it legal to cut off those DNS systems and loop in backwards? (instead of bidirectional). ** I don't want my city/schools/other systems hooked into the World Wide Web. // someone let me know when you get a chance.
Yes. Sounds like you want private (discontiguous) network space. There is no need to be a part of the internet if you don't want to be, but that desire does not prevent you in any way from utilizing internet "technology" discontiguously (ie, separate and apart from the Internet).
what does “loop in backwards” mean? it is possible (and there are production systems) to “tap” the Internet and load/fill/examine DNS caches of Internet DNS traffic. NSA and its industrial partners (like Farsight Security) do this for a living. there are many corporations that have built/use enclaved or walled garden networks for internal use that have no visibility to the Internet or its applications (like WWW). Its not that hard to do… folks have been doing it for decades. /bill PO Box 12317 Marina del Rey, CA 90295 310.322.8102
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