Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Yes. Our service didn't start out this way, but a few years ago they added that. At least my rep at the time quoted me out with the fee added into it. I believe IPv6 BGP is free. On 10/17/18 11:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Yep we pay it on our circuits, begrudgingly. Wouldn’t mind it as much if it actually delivered me every BGP prefix in the global routing table… From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service) Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 15:53:47 -0000, David Hubbard said:
Yep we pay it on our circuits, begrudgingly. Wouldnât mind it as much if it actually delivered me every BGP prefix in the global routing tableâ¦
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:49:10 -0400, Jason Canady said:
I believe IPv6 BGP is free.
Draw your own conclusions... :)
Yes - we just renewed/ upgraded and they hit us with it - pushed back at the lower the bandwidth cost a little bit to compensate for it On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 11:55 AM David Hubbard < dhubbard@dino.hostasaurus.com> wrote:
Yep we pay it on our circuits, begrudgingly. Wouldn’t mind it as much if it actually delivered me every BGP prefix in the global routing table…
*From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman < josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> *Date: *Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM *To: *NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject: *Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull. One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space. Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> wrote:
On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
-- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it. From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM To: Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service) I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com<mailto:bruns@2mbit.com>> wrote: On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull. One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space. Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees. -- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
I was told they only charge it if you have bigger than a /29 from them. On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:12:01PM +0000, David Hubbard wrote:
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it.
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM To: Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com<mailto:bruns@2mbit.com>> wrote: On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
They gave me a free /29 and then when I reminded them about BGP they popped up another agreement for $50/mo. This was today. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:25 PM Anderson, Charles R <cra@wpi.edu> wrote:
I was told they only charge it if you have bigger than a /29 from them.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:12:01PM +0000, David Hubbard wrote:
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it.
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman < josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM To: Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com<mailto: bruns@2mbit.com>> wrote: On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
We pay it too and I’ve asked to have it waived -Ben
On Oct 17, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
They gave me a free /29 and then when I reminded them about BGP they popped up another agreement for $50/mo. This was today.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:25 PM Anderson, Charles R <cra@wpi.edu> wrote: I was told they only charge it if you have bigger than a /29 from them.
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 04:12:01PM +0000, David Hubbard wrote:
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it.
From: NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> Date: Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM To: Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com<mailto:bruns@2mbit.com>> wrote: On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
Indeed, its a one time fee to setup BGP. And as a side note, I's also separate for v4 and v6 sessions. I was also taken aback when i heard it the first time. On 17-10-18 18:12, David Hubbard wrote:
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it.
*From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> *Date: *Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM *To: *Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> *Cc: *NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject: *Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com <mailto:bruns@2mbit.com>> wrote:
On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's > unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
-- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
What Cogent charges is not a one time fee, its monthly recurring On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:43 AM H I Baysal <hibaysal@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed, its a one time fee to setup BGP. And as a side note, I's also separate for v4 and v6 sessions.
I was also taken aback when i heard it the first time. On 17-10-18 18:12, David Hubbard wrote:
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it.
*From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> *Date: *Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM *To: *Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> <bruns@2mbit.com> *Cc: *NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject: *Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> wrote:
On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
-- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
Here in the US it is unheard of. So far for every turn up I have done in Europe or Asia we were charged a separate BGP session fee. On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 9:17 AM, Jeff Waddell < jeff+nanog@waddellsolutions.com> wrote:
What Cogent charges is not a one time fee, its monthly recurring
On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 8:43 AM H I Baysal <hibaysal@gmail.com> wrote:
Indeed, its a one time fee to setup BGP. And as a side note, I's also separate for v4 and v6 sessions.
I was also taken aback when i heard it the first time. On 17-10-18 18:12, David Hubbard wrote:
They charge it even if you’re using your own address space. It’s a fee simply for establishing BGP with them on a given circuit. I believe if you used static routes and their space, you would not have to pay it.
*From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> on behalf of Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> *Date: *Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:10 PM *To: *Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> <bruns@2mbit.com> *Cc: *NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> <nanog@nanog.org> *Subject: *Re: Cogent charging 50/mo for BGP (not IPs, the service)
I view Cogent IP space as a way to lock customers to their service, ie make them sticky.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0A++++++++++++++Suite+1337+%0D%0A++++++++++++++Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018, 12:03 PM Brielle Bruns <bruns@2mbit.com> wrote:
On 10/17/2018 9:47 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Has anyone else dealt with this mess? Even my Cogent rep admits it's unique to their business.
That sounds like the BS the first company I worked for tried to pull.
One would think they'd welcome customers bringing their own IP space since it saves them money by not using up precious Cogent IPv4 address space.
Hell, I even have BGP for v4 and v6 over my CenturyLink biz fiber, and its available as part of the enhanced package they offer with no extra fees.
-- Brielle Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group http://www.sosdg.org / http://www.ahbl.org
On: Friday, October 19, 2018 10:03 AM, Jeff Waddell said… Here in the US it is unheard of. So far for every turn up I have done in Europe or Asia we were charged a separate BGP session fee. Not unheard of… requested several new quotes in the last few months and at least 2 included $50/mo charge for BGP. LQ. Marshall | Sr. Network Engineer | RegEd --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been scanned for email related threats and delivered safely by Mimecast. For more information please visit http://www.mimecast.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On 19/Oct/18 16:57, Marshall, Quincy wrote:
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Not unheard of… requested several new quotes in the last few months and at least 2 included $50/mo charge for BGP.
My memory could be dodgy, but I think I recall seeing something similar on an order form they sent us for an upgrade (or turn-up) a few years ago. We pick them up in Amsterdam. That said, the fee not being explicitly on the order form does not mean it's not being charged. If I were Cogent and really needed the money, I wouldn't mention it on the order form, but just wrap it into the turn-up NRC or service MRC. That Cogent are explicitly highlighting it in an order form is to send another message, or create an industry standard. Mark.
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