-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Hank Nussbacher Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:26 AM To: Philip Smith Cc: Nanog Subject: Re: The Cidr Report

At 10:27 AM 14-02-05 +1000, Philip Smith wrote:

Well said. At NANOG you get the clueful people cuz they at least knew to come. That is a start. But there are hundreds of ISPs out there who don't have a clue. RIPE realized this without having to do a membership poll and rightly so, goes and does training where it is needed (and believe me - I am their biggest critic and all-around pain in the ass when it comes to their expenses as Leo and Rob can attest).

NANOG is not the place to do it. ARIN, as part of their overhead should do an east coast, west coast and Chicago area tutorial at least once a year. And guess what - most of the training material has already been written by the other RIRs.

Am I misreading the report? That doesn't look like a list of clueless people. Just because another RIR does something doesn't mean we should automatically assume ARIN should too. This is a different area with different dynamics. Regardless, you could always propose this to ARIN instead of NANOG. :-) -M<