we're gathering in the 1st floor lobby-like area (where the nanog reg desk is) to go to Kobe Steak. Anyone is, of course, welcome. It's about 15 minutes from the hotel by car. I can carry 3-4 additional people (3 engineer sized, 4 if we're lucky) in my rental, so anyone else who has wheels s encoraged to join. If you want to follow later or ask us to wait a few, call me +1 925 212 2200 and we'll make arrangements. -S Scott Call Router Geek, ATGi "Only the Phoenix rises and does not descend And everything changes. And nothing is truly lost." - Neil Gaiman, The Wake