New York City peering points, alternate to NYIIX??
i recently found a cost effective method of moving traffic from Toronto to New York. i am interested in finding peering points in New York City, preferably at Telehouse (Bowling Green Post Office) or 60 Hudson Street. i was looking at connecting to NYIIX, however, i find that Telehouse is sharging $400/month just to jack into their switch. alternately, i have a client who would be willing to house a switch in their Telehouse racks for a new peering point. there might also be the potential to set up a switch at 60 hudson. anyone have any directions for me for peering in New York, and/or interest in setting up a new peering point? my interests in peering are mostly related to news flow and ftp/http access to large archives of stuff. -- [ Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ The telephone, for those of you who have forgotten, was a commonly used ] [ communications technology in the days before electronic mail. ] [ They're still easy to find in most large cities. -- Nathaniel Borenstein ]
1) Telehouse will not allow another peering point at 25 Broadway. Its like saying "I will put my own Giga at MAE-EAST! 2) $400 a month for a port where a decent amount of traffic is traded and where the switch is well maintained is not rediculous...Telehouse is not a 501(c)3...they are in this to make money... 3) Unless you can get some big names to peer openly, no one would be willing to pay... So how will you fund a switch and other costs? I think Telehouse is making a buck, but isn't that what we are all here for? Reid Fishler Lightning.Net At 12:58 PM 4/21/99 -0400, Jim Mercer wrote:
i recently found a cost effective method of moving traffic from Toronto to New York.
i am interested in finding peering points in New York City, preferably at Telehouse (Bowling Green Post Office) or 60 Hudson Street.
i was looking at connecting to NYIIX, however, i find that Telehouse is sharging $400/month just to jack into their switch.
alternately, i have a client who would be willing to house a switch in their Telehouse racks for a new peering point. there might also be the potential to set up a switch at 60 hudson.
anyone have any directions for me for peering in New York, and/or interest in setting up a new peering point?
my interests in peering are mostly related to news flow and ftp/http access to large archives of stuff.
-- [ Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ The telephone, for those of you who have forgotten, was a commonly used ] [ communications technology in the days before electronic mail. ] [ They're still easy to find in most large cities. -- Nathaniel Borenstein ]
1) Telehouse will not allow another peering point at 25 Broadway. Its like saying "I will put my own Giga at MAE-EAST!
i'm looking at a simple switch, allowing the participants to work out their own peering arrangements. we have a small startup one here in Toronto. is there something in telehouse's contract which would stop me from dropping a switch in and opening it up to any and all comers?
2) $400 a month for a port where a decent amount of traffic is traded and where the switch is well maintained is not rediculous...Telehouse is not a 501(c)3...they are in this to make money...
currently, according to telehouse, there are some 70-100 ISP's in the manhattan facility. only something like 12 are jacked into NYIIX, the bulk of which are asian ISP's. $400/month, as it stands right now, is not worth it. define well maintained? a simple switch on backed up power doesn't require much maintenance. for the toronto exchange we simply drove a stake in the ground and said come meet here, no cost. participants are allowed to do whatever peering they want one a free or commercial basis. they are told that while best efforts will be made to keep the switch running, the exchange itself will not guarantee 100% 7x24 uptime. since the costs to the participants is zero (or, let's assume a share of the footprint), expectations for high end guarantees should not be that high.
3) Unless you can get some big names to peer openly, no one would be willing to pay... So how will you fund a switch and other costs?
my clients sound willing to provide a cisco cat 1900 or some such and will house it in their racks. if more/faster ports are needed, they would be willing to add equipment maybe requesting some kind of small fee to offset the costs.
I think Telehouse is making a buck, but isn't that what we are all here for?
true enough, but i don't really see alot of value for the $400/month. -- [ Jim Mercer Reptilian Research jim@reptiles.org +1 416 410-5633 ] [ The telephone, for those of you who have forgotten, was a commonly used ] [ communications technology in the days before electronic mail. ] [ They're still easy to find in most large cities. -- Nathaniel Borenstein ]
On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Jim Mercer wrote:
1) Telehouse will not allow another peering point at 25 Broadway. Its like saying "I will put my own Giga at MAE-EAST!
i'm looking at a simple switch, allowing the participants to work out their own peering arrangements. we have a small startup one here in Toronto.
is there something in telehouse's contract which would stop me from dropping a switch in and opening it up to any and all comers?
Maybe, but not in ours; we've worked in free interconnection. You may be able to do the same (I encourage it).
currently, according to telehouse, there are some 70-100 ISP's in the manhattan facility. only something like 12 are jacked into NYIIX, the bulk of which are asian ISP's.
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