you ask do folk run ntpd on every server.

And the answer is, yes, on all Unix servers. Have done so for many years. Running ntpdate from cron was always regarded as a poor substitute.

i wonder if folk run ntpd on every router. i did and do.

Yup. Or sntp if that's the only thing available. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sthaug@nethelp.no