BGP Update Report Interval: 25-Aug-06 -to- 07-Sep-06 (14 days) Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS4637 TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS4134 37938 2.8% 61.8 -- CHINANET-BACKBONE No.31,Jin-rong Street 2 - AS17974 18693 1.4% 36.9 -- TELKOMNET-AS2-AP PT TELEKOMUNIKASI INDONESIA 3 - AS8685 13836 1.0% 406.9 -- DORUKNET DorukNet Istanbul / Turkey 4 - AS6197 11668 0.9% 11.3 -- BATI-ATL - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 5 - AS9121 11449 0.8% 97.0 -- TTNET TTnet Autonomous System 6 - AS15464 11391 0.8% 474.6 -- IHLASNET IHLASNET Autonomous System 7 - AS8386 10412 0.8% 433.8 -- KOCNET KOCNET-AS 8 - AS17557 10189 0.8% 28.4 -- PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 9 - AS15611 10017 0.7% 88.6 -- Iranian Research Organisation 10 - AS855 9974 0.7% 17.7 -- CANET-ASN-4 - Aliant Telecom 11 - AS34104 9297 0.7% 464.9 -- TELETEK-AS TELETEK TELEKOMINIKASYON HIZMETLERI A.S 12 - AS12497 8715 0.6% 174.3 -- SANET-GE SANET NETWORK (AS) 13 - AS7011 8589 0.6% 12.8 -- FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS - Frontier Communications, Inc. 14 - AS33783 8176 0.6% 76.4 -- EEPAD 15 - AS4621 8164 0.6% 60.9 -- UNSPECIFIED UNINET-TH 16 - AS4787 8063 0.6% 30.2 -- ASN-CBN ASN CBNnet 17 - AS9394 8062 0.6% 17.6 -- CRNET CHINA RAILWAY Internet(CRNET) 18 - AS9021 7775 0.6% 555.4 -- ISNET ISBANKASI Autonomous System 19 - AS6198 7755 0.6% 15.0 -- BATI-MIA - BellSouth Network Solutions, Inc 20 - AS34695 7252 0.5% 164.8 -- E4A-AS E4A Primary AS TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix) Rank ASN Upds % Upds/Pfx AS-Name 1 - AS3043 3039 0.2% 3039.0 -- AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 2 - AS30298 988 0.1% 988.0 -- FIRST-AMERICAN-BANK-SSB - First American Bank 3 - AS34378 900 0.1% 900.0 -- RUG-AS Razguliay-UKRROS Group 4 - AS12922 842 0.1% 842.0 -- MULTITRADE-AS Bank Outsourcer 5 - AS34984 794 0.1% 794.0 -- BITEL-AS BILISIM TELEKOM 6 - AS35080 784 0.1% 784.0 -- OYAK-TELEKOM-AS Oyak Telekom Hizm. BGP AS 7 - AS39298 762 0.1% 762.0 -- SERI Seri Bilgi Teknolojileri ve Destek Hizmetleri 8 - AS4271 1493 0.1% 746.5 -- WORX - Networx 9 - AS31526 745 0.1% 745.0 -- TEKOFAKS-AS TEKOFAKS 10 - AS29666 725 0.1% 725.0 -- TRHENKEL Turk Henkel Kimya Sanayi 11 - AS39080 721 0.1% 721.0 -- SIMETRI-AS SIMETRI YAZILIM 12 - AS31365 1432 0.1% 716.0 -- SGSTELEKOM SGS Telekom Autonomous System 13 - AS31085 711 0.1% 711.0 -- VIKINGNET-AS VIKING TUR 14 - AS29635 700 0.1% 700.0 -- BANVIT-AS Banvit A.S 15 - AS30734 682 0.1% 682.0 -- METISBILG-AS Metis Bilgi Sistemleri A.S 16 - AS31704 677 0.1% 677.0 -- ROBERTCOLLEGE-AS Robert College 17 - AS38920 676 0.1% 676.0 -- MNGBANK-TR Mng Turkiye 18 - AS39328 668 0.1% 668.0 -- BOTO-AS Borusan Oto 19 - AS31307 668 0.1% 668.0 -- YKYATIRIM YAPI KREDI YATIRIM 20 - AS29549 2646 0.2% 661.5 -- ZIRAATBANK-AS T.C. Ziraat Bankasi A.S. TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 1 - 202.125.147.0/24 3980 0.2% AS17557 -- PKTELECOM-AS-AP Pakistan Telecom 2 - 208.0.225.0/24 3068 0.2% AS11139 -- CWRIN CW BARBADOS 3 - 209.140.24.0/24 3039 0.2% AS3043 -- AMPHIB-AS - Amphibian Media Corporation 4 - 83.210.15.0/24 1843 0.1% AS23918 -- CBB-BGP-IBARAKI Connexion By Boeing Ibaraki AS AS29257 -- CBB-IE-AS Connexion by Boeing Ireland, Ltd. AS30533 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-LTN - Connexion by Boeing AS31050 -- CBB-RU-ASN Connexion by Boeing Eastern Europe, Ltd. AS33697 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-VBC - Connexion by Boeing 5 - 143.81.0.0/21 1618 0.1% AS6034 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 6 - 205.98.32.0/20 1147 0.1% AS5839 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 7 - 195.46.34.0/23 1013 0.1% AS31200 -- NTK Novotelecom ltd. 8 - 216.85.162.0/23 1001 0.1% AS6467 -- ESPIRECOMM - Xspedius Communications Co. 9 - 209.189.231.0/24 988 0.1% AS30298 -- FIRST-AMERICAN-BANK-SSB - First American Bank 10 - 205.97.69.0/24 933 0.1% AS5839 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 11 - 130.36.88.0/21 931 0.1% AS2686 -- AT&T Global Network Services - EMEA 12 - 205.97.70.0/24 930 0.1% AS5839 -- DDN-ASNBLK - DoD Network Information Center 13 - 80.64.80.0/23 928 0.1% AS31200 -- NTK Novotelecom ltd. 14 - 193.242.123.0/24 900 0.1% AS34378 -- RUG-AS Razguliay-UKRROS Group 15 - 217.195.192.0/21 843 0.1% AS9121 -- TTNET TTnet Autonomous System 16 - 194.105.61.0/24 842 0.1% AS12922 -- MULTITRADE-AS Bank Outsourcer 17 - 60.253.32.0/24 822 0.1% AS23918 -- CBB-BGP-IBARAKI Connexion By Boeing Ibaraki AS AS30533 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-LTN - Connexion by Boeing AS31050 -- CBB-RU-ASN Connexion by Boeing Eastern Europe, Ltd. AS33697 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-VBC - Connexion by Boeing 18 - 216.51.192.0/18 808 0.1% AS5056 -- INS-NET-2 - Iowa Network Services 19 - 213.91.174.0/24 800 0.1% AS8866 -- BTC-AS Bulgarian Telecommunication Company Plc. 20 - 85.29.0.0/18 794 0.1% AS34984 -- BITEL-AS BILISIM TELEKOM Details at http://bgpupdates.potaroo.net ------------------------------------ Copies of this report are mailed to: nanog@merit.edu eof-list@ripe.net apops@apops.net routing-wg@ripe.net afnog@afnog.org ausnog@ausnog.net
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, cidr-report@potaroo.net wrote: Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is handing off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic areas. Or is there some other explanation?
TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name 4 - 83.210.15.0/24 1843 0.1% AS23918 -- CBB-BGP-IBARAKI Connexion By Boeing Ibaraki AS AS29257 -- CBB-IE-AS Connexion by Boeing Ireland, Ltd. AS30533 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-LTN - Connexion by Boeing AS31050 -- CBB-RU-ASN Connexion by Boeing Eastern Europe, Ltd. AS33697 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-VBC - Connexion by Boeing 17 - 60.253.32.0/24 822 0.1% AS23918 -- CBB-BGP-IBARAKI Connexion By Boeing Ibaraki AS AS30533 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-LTN - Connexion by Boeing AS31050 -- CBB-RU-ASN Connexion by Boeing Eastern Europe, Ltd. AS33697 -- CONNEXION-BY-BOEING-VBC - Connexion by Boeing
Hank Nussbacher http://www.interall.co.il
On Sep 8, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, cidr-report@potaroo.net wrote:
Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is handing off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic areas. Or is there some other explanation?
They presented at NANOG saying they would be re-announcing a /24 per plane as it crosses the ocean. I can't recall if the originating (or transit) ASNs were going to change, but it doesn't seem wholly unreasonable. IMHO, of course. -- TTFN, patrick
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is handing > off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic > areas. Yes, that was their architecture, originally. My understanding was that they'd subsequently moved to a more complicated system of NATing, but my understanding may be incorrect, or they may not have done so entirely. -Bill
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:57:10PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, cidr-report@potaroo.net wrote:
Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is handing off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic areas. Or is there some other explanation?
Detailed at nanog 31 (among other meetings): http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0405/abarbanel.html 2005 detail from a blogger: http://bayosphere.com/node/879 2006 detail from another blogger: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2006/04/tracking_plane_flight_on_inter.shtml -- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
From their webpage: Service Advisory On Aug. 17, 2006, the Boeing Company announced that a detailed business and market analysis of Connexion by Boeing is complete, and
the company has decided to exit the high-speed broadband communications connectivity markets. Boeing will work with its customers to facilitate an orderly phase out of the Connexion by Boeing service. Passengers traveling on Internet-equipped flights will be able to use the service until it is phased out between now and the end of the year, depending on the airline. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Provo" <nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net> To: "Hank Nussbacher" <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> Cc: <cidr-report@potaroo.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <routing-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [routing-wg]BGP Update Report
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:57:10PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, cidr-report@potaroo.net wrote:
Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is handing off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic areas. Or is there some other explanation?
Detailed at nanog 31 (among other meetings): http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0405/abarbanel.html
2005 detail from a blogger: http://bayosphere.com/node/879
2006 detail from another blogger: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2006/04/tracking_plane_flight_on_inter.shtml
-- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
Was it merely not enough customers? or were there other issues? inquiring minds is all =) -brandon On 9/9/06, Michael Painter <tvhawaii@shaka.com> wrote:
From their webpage: Service Advisory On Aug. 17, 2006, the Boeing Company announced that a detailed business and market analysis of Connexion by Boeing is complete, and the company has decided to exit the high-speed broadband communications connectivity markets. Boeing will work with its customers to facilitate an orderly phase out of the Connexion by Boeing service. Passengers traveling on Internet-equipped flights will be able to use the service until it is phased out between now and the end of the year, depending on the airline.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Provo" <nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net> To: "Hank Nussbacher" <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il> Cc: <cidr-report@potaroo.net>; <nanog@merit.edu>; <routing-wg@ripe.net> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [routing-wg]BGP Update Report
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:57:10PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, cidr-report@potaroo.net wrote:
Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is
handing
off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic areas. Or is there some other explanation?
Detailed at nanog 31 (among other meetings): http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0405/abarbanel.html
2005 detail from a blogger: http://bayosphere.com/node/879
2006 detail from another blogger: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2006/04/tracking_plane_flight_on_inter.shtml
-- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
-- Brandon Galbraith Email: brandon.galbraith@gmail.com AIM: brandong00 Voice: 630.400.6992 "A true pirate starts drinking before the sun hits the yard-arm. Yarrrr. --thelost"
Just wondering this, myself. I travel fairly frequently between US and Europe, and Lufthansa was recently my choice, exclusively because of this service. Perhaps with the interdiction of computing devices on board (have not travelled since the UK incident, so I am not sure if the new rules of flying naked affect all flights?!?) there won't - obviously - be much of a need for an Internet connection ... Stefan On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:43, Brandon Galbraith wrote:
Was it merely not enough customers? or were there other issues? inquiring minds is all =)
-brandon
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:08:56 -0500, Netfortius <netfortius@gmail.com> wrote:
Just wondering this, myself. I travel fairly frequently between US and Europe, and Lufthansa was recently my choice, exclusively because of this service. Perhaps with the interdiction of computing devices on board (have not travelled since the UK incident, so I am not sure if the new rules of flying naked affect all flights?!?) there won't - obviously - be much of a need for an Internet connection ...
The main issue, from what I read, is that too few airlines followed suit. In particular, most American airlines were far too strapped financially to invest in the necessary equipment. --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 12:24:52PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 09:08:56 -0500, Netfortius <netfortius@gmail.com> wrote:
Just wondering this, myself. I travel fairly frequently between US and Europe, and Lufthansa was recently my choice, exclusively because of this service. Perhaps with the interdiction of computing devices on board (have not travelled since the UK incident, so I am not sure if the new rules of flying naked affect all flights?!?) there won't - obviously - be much of a need for an Internet connection ...
The main issue, from what I read, is that too few airlines followed suit. In particular, most American airlines were far too strapped financially to invest in the necessary equipment.
Duh. Did you ever read the numbers for Connexion? They managed to design a system which cost the airlines up to $1mil per plane to install, and only generated $80k/yr/plane total revenue (thats Boeing revenue not airline revenue). They had an opex of something like $150mil/yr on total revenue of $11mil/yr. Obviously there is no such thing as an FAA certified $50 Linksys WRT54G, but it never fails to amaze me how people are utterly shocked when reality catches up with their wild, unchecked, and stupid spending. :) -- Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> http://www.e-gerbil.net/ras GPG Key ID: 0xF8B12CBC (7535 7F59 8204 ED1F CC1C 53AF 4C41 5ECA F8B1 2CBC)
Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> writes:
Duh. Did you ever read the numbers for Connexion? They managed to design a system which cost the airlines up to $1mil per plane to install, and only generated $80k/yr/plane total revenue (thats Boeing revenue not airline revenue). They had an opex of something like $150mil/yr on total revenue of $11mil/yr.
Now this is interesting. $80k/year, $25 a shot = 3200 users per aircraft per year. Assume long-haul aircraft that daily average two flights per day, 320 days per year (to keep it easy), that means the average number of users on a flight is... 5. Someone's marketing department was asleep at the switch, I think.
Obviously there is no such thing as an FAA certified $50 Linksys WRT54G, but it never fails to amaze me how people are utterly shocked when reality catches up with their wild, unchecked, and stupid spending. :)
My recollection is that they were using fairly off the shelf stuff though, 3548s and Aironet 1200s if memory serves. It's poking holes in the fuselage for the antenna, and the satellite antenna itself, that costs the big bucks. ---rob
There is still interest in this technology at Boeing and elsewhere, and there will probably be a BOF on the problems associated with large mobile networks at the San Diego IETF this Fall. Anyone interested in the technology at the IP level can let me know and I will make sure you get the announcements. As for the business side of it, there are other uses for network connectivity on a modern aircraft besides searching the web. Regards Marshall On Sep 10, 2006, at 2:04 PM, Robert E.Seastrom wrote:
Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> writes:
Duh. Did you ever read the numbers for Connexion? They managed to design a system which cost the airlines up to $1mil per plane to install, and only generated $80k/yr/plane total revenue (thats Boeing revenue not airline revenue). They had an opex of something like $150mil/yr on total revenue of $11mil/yr.
Now this is interesting. $80k/year, $25 a shot = 3200 users per aircraft per year. Assume long-haul aircraft that daily average two flights per day, 320 days per year (to keep it easy), that means the average number of users on a flight is... 5.
Someone's marketing department was asleep at the switch, I think.
Obviously there is no such thing as an FAA certified $50 Linksys WRT54G, but it never fails to amaze me how people are utterly shocked when reality catches up with their wild, unchecked, and stupid spending. :)
My recollection is that they were using fairly off the shelf stuff though, 3548s and Aironet 1200s if memory serves. It's poking holes in the fuselage for the antenna, and the satellite antenna itself, that costs the big bucks.
---rob
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Joe Provo wrote:
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:57:10PM +0300, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, cidr-report@potaroo.net wrote:
Strike me as curious, but this seems as if Connexion by Boeing is handing off a /24 from ASN to ASN as a certain plane moves over certain geographic areas. Or is there some other explanation?
Detailed at nanog 31 (among other meetings): http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0405/abarbanel.html
2005 detail from a blogger: http://bayosphere.com/node/879
2006 detail from another blogger: http://www.renesys.com/blog/2006/04/tracking_plane_flight_on_inter.shtml
-- RSUC / GweepNet / Spunk / FnB / Usenix / SAGE
Yep. And they also presented it on this side of the Atlantic, back in May'2004: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-48/presentations/ripe48-routing-globa... Best Regards, ./Carlos Skype: cf916183694 -------------- Wide Area Network (WAN) Workgroup, CMF8-RIPE, CF596-ARIN FCCN - Fundacao para a Computacao Cientifica Nacional http://www.fccn.pt "Internet is just routes (196663/675), naming (millions) and... people!"
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Steven M. Bellovin