|> -----Original Message----- |> From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com] |> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:24 AM |> To: 'Elisabeth Porteneuve'; ga@dnso.org; kent@songbird.com |> Subject: Net-block issues |> |> |> |> |> From: Elisabeth Porteneuve |> [mailto:Elisabeth.Porteneuve@cetp.ipsl.fr] |> |> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:58 AM |> |> |> The rivers of comments has been sent out about domain |> |> names, there is a dangereous silence about IP numbers. |> |> It is with wry amusement that I have been following the MAPs |> debate, on |> NANOG, recently. Then you make this comment, it couldn't |> dove-tail more |> beautifully. Those that do not know what MAPs is, please review |> http://www.mail-abuse.org/. |> |> The fundimental function is to create blacklists used for |> various filtering |> of IP blocks. While this sounds innocuous on its face, MAPS |> has recently |> announced intention of charging for their service, in order |> to raise money |> for legal fees (they are under legal attack). Until now, |> Paul Vixie has been |> the main funder of MAPs. |> |> The problem is that MAPS was distributing the lists and |> there were many |> local copies, within places like EarthLink and AOL. As long |> as those copies |> are maintained by MAPS, this is not a serious problem. They have an |> efficient and timely distribution mechanism. The result of |> an net-block |> being listed in MAPS is that entire chunks of the Internet |> cannot reach that |> net-block. This is done at the provider level. The effects |> are global in |> that they over-ride ARIN, RIPE, and APNIC. |> |> The problem arises when there are stale entries in the |> black-list. In fact, |> the danger has always been, the issue of stale entries. The |> effect, given |> MAPS market-share, is that a net-block can be issued, to a |> new business, |> that may be perfectly useless and neither the ISP or the |> business knows |> about it until it is too late. I might point out that a |> similar problem can |> occur with DNs, so it is not entirely an PSO issue. There |> are now stale |> entries, in abundance, because many providers are still |> evaluating the new |> cost issues. Meanwhile, they have disconnected from the |> distro system and |> aren't having their black-lists updated. Ergo, they have |> stale entries. |> |> What this, in effect, does is to over-ride various registry |> policies. Names |> and net-blocks that are issued may not, in fact, be issued. |> Names are not a |> serious cost issue and they can, with some logistical difficulty, be |> re-issued. However, net-blocks cost over $1US/month (at the |> ISP level), or |> $2500/year from ARIN (the US registry), and they are not all |> that plentiful. |> |> The fundimental process disconnect here is that, IMHO, the various |> registries should be performing the MAPS function as part of |> their policy |> enforcement mechanism. This is not written into any of the |> registrar/registry agreements. |> |> If anything argues for a centralised systems approach, the MAPS |> functionality does. IMHO, this makes it an ICANN issue. Yes, |> this also |> politicizes it somewhat. No, some NANOG denizens won't like |> it and that is |> guaranteed. |> |> -- |> R O E L A N D M J M E Y E R |> Managing Director |> Morgan Hill Software Company |> t:01 925 373 3954 |> c:01 925 352 3615 |> f:01 925 373 9781 |>