On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Mathew Butler wrote:

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Great, so you're suggesting punishing good locksmiths or windowmen.

Last I checked, locksmiths dont walk up and down streets checking every lock and window on every house.

Or to put it differently, when locksmiths or windowmen 'check' my property uninvited, YOU BET I will use whatever means neccessary to see them punished for invading my privacy, attempted breaking and entering or whatever. I (and many others) assume hostile intent. Don't port scan unless you have express permission. Typically locksmiths get paid, and windowmen, too. To equal port scanning with some sort of community service is a ludicrous argument. And if you want to offer free port scanning services, it can't hurt to ask before you do so if you really want to contribute something back to the net society. -- Christian Kuhtz <ck@arch.bellsouth.net> -wk, <ck@gnu.org> -hm Sr. Architect, Engineering & Architecture, BellSouth.net, Atlanta, GA, U.S. "I speak for myself only."