Hello everyone, I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below: CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE The goal is verify the performance end-to-end. I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters: - loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance. The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it. I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case). Appreciate your comments. Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
many switch and routing vendors provide such functionality in their os. this data can then be collected via SNMP, stored for reports and forwarded as events, when necessary. tate On 10/27/2010 7:32 PM, Diogo Montagner wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE<-> metro-e<-> l2circuit<-> l2vpn<-> l2circuit<-> metro-e<-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
For comissioning testing, you can use a hardware packet generator to send packets to an Ethernet demarcation with a MAC-swap loopback, and analyse the returned traffic. For ongoing performance monitoring, having Y.1731 capable CPE is highly desirable. Jonathon. -----Original Message----- From: Diogo Montagner [mailto:diogo.montagner@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 28 October 2010 12:33 p.m. To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Ethernet performance tests Hello everyone, I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below: CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE The goal is verify the performance end-to-end. I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters: - loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance. The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it. I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case). Appreciate your comments. Thanks! ./diogo -montagner This email and attachments: are confidential; may be protected by privilege and copyright; if received in error may not be used,copied, or kept; are not guaranteed to be virus-free; may not express the views of Kordia(R); do not designate an information system; and do not give rise to any liability for Kordia(R).
We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end.. We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes) http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set.. -- Tim On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
On 10/27/2010 8:54 PM, Tim Jackson wrote:
We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes)
+1 Think JDSU also has some nice boxes. There's a few rack systems you can use which can either generate packets or provide a home base loop system for the end node test sets depending on your requirements. Jack
Exfo, JDSU, Fluke all offer hand held test sets that can run a rfc2544 ( http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2544.txt) test. Do you own the path between cpe <-> cpe? Remeber that for each km of fiber distance add about 4.9ms (one way) of latency. Do basline tests on your cpe gear so you know what you are working with from the being. Different tests at different speeds/cpe hand off (1Gig fiber, 10Gig fiber, Copper @ 10/100/1000) so that all varations are captured. Did this at a pervious company, had to test everything in everything deployable state. On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com> wrote:
We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end..
We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes)
http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set..
-- Tim
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
-- -Mike Mainer
Each KM does not ad 4.9ms...... More like ~1msec per 100km... 1/4/msec usually per OEO conversion (depends on the box)... -- Tim On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Mike Mainer <mmainer@tekinside.com> wrote:
Exfo, JDSU, Fluke all offer hand held test sets that can run a rfc2544 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2544.txt) test. Do you own the path between cpe <-> cpe? Remeber that for each km of fiber distance add about 4.9ms (one way) of latency. Do basline tests on your cpe gear so you know what you are working with from the being. Different tests at different speeds/cpe hand off (1Gig fiber, 10Gig fiber, Copper @ 10/100/1000) so that all varations are captured.
Did this at a pervious company, had to test everything in everything deployable state.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com> wrote:
We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end..
We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes)
http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set..
-- Tim
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
-- -Mike Mainer
Hello everyone!!! Thank you for all answers. These answers are really what I was looking for!!!! Regards ./diogo -montagner On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com> wrote:
Each KM does not ad 4.9ms......
More like ~1msec per 100km...
1/4/msec usually per OEO conversion (depends on the box)...
-- Tim
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Mike Mainer <mmainer@tekinside.com> wrote:
Exfo, JDSU, Fluke all offer hand held test sets that can run a rfc2544 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2544.txt) test. Do you own the path between cpe <-> cpe? Remeber that for each km of fiber distance add about 4.9ms (one way) of latency. Do basline tests on your cpe gear so you know what you are working with from the being. Different tests at different speeds/cpe hand off (1Gig fiber, 10Gig fiber, Copper @ 10/100/1000) so that all varations are captured.
Did this at a pervious company, had to test everything in everything deployable state.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com> wrote:
We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end..
We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes)
http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set..
-- Tim
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
-- -Mike Mainer
Hi Diogo We use ixchariot endpoints installed on linux laptops to test sites for voice readiness. Ixchariot calculates for you the MOS score and, depending from the NIC, can also push close to 1 Gig of traffic. For larger bandwidth tests (I believe 6-7 Gig) and fast re-route testing (ms failover) we use ixia hardware. Ciao On 10/27/10, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone!!!
Thank you for all answers. These answers are really what I was looking for!!!!
Regards ./diogo -montagner
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com> wrote:
Each KM does not ad 4.9ms......
More like ~1msec per 100km...
1/4/msec usually per OEO conversion (depends on the box)...
-- Tim
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Mike Mainer <mmainer@tekinside.com> wrote:
Exfo, JDSU, Fluke all offer hand held test sets that can run a rfc2544 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2544.txt) test. Do you own the path between cpe <-> cpe? Remeber that for each km of fiber distance add about 4.9ms (one way) of latency. Do basline tests on your cpe gear so you know what you are working with from the being. Different tests at different speeds/cpe hand off (1Gig fiber, 10Gig fiber, Copper @ 10/100/1000) so that all varations are captured.
Did this at a pervious company, had to test everything in everything deployable state.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Tim Jackson <jackson.tim@gmail.com> wrote:
We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end..
We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes)
http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set..
-- Tim
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
-- -Mike Mainer
-- Sent from my mobile device
How smooth is the Ixchariot data stream? When Chariot was a NetIQ product it seemed to generate regular spikes as the algorithm tried to correct the total throughput over a time interval. It's not a problem for slow data rates but when testing near the limit of a circuit's capacity the spikes could sometimes overflow the buffers of Ethernet media converters and give false results. Jonathon -----Original Message----- From: Stefano Gridelli [mailto:sgridelli@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 29 October 2010 1:08 a.m. To: Diogo Montagner; Tim Jackson; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet performance tests Hi Diogo We use ixchariot endpoints installed on linux laptops to test sites for voice readiness. Ixchariot calculates for you the MOS score and, depending from the NIC, can also push close to 1 Gig of traffic. For larger bandwidth tests (I believe 6-7 Gig) and fast re-route testing (ms failover) we use ixia hardware. Ciao This email and attachments: are confidential; may be protected by privilege and copyright; if received in error may not be used,copied, or kept; are not guaranteed to be virus-free; may not express the views of Kordia(R); do not designate an information system; and do not give rise to any liability for Kordia(R).
I tried the "ultra high throughput" script just for fun to see how much I could push ... I got a solid 920 mbps stream for the entire time I run the test (circa 30-60 seconds) with not spikes. The hardware in that case were two IBM hs-20 blades with broadcom chipsets. I said for fun because if we use ixchariot for throughput tests usually is just for small T1 sites (max 3xT1) so I have never seen the issue you mentioned. Usually on the same T1, we fill the data VLAN with traffic and then we run x voice pairs on the voice vlan to validate QoS (MOS score). On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Jonathon Exley <Jonathon.Exley@kordia.co.nz
wrote:
How smooth is the Ixchariot data stream? When Chariot was a NetIQ product it seemed to generate regular spikes as the algorithm tried to correct the total throughput over a time interval. It's not a problem for slow data rates but when testing near the limit of a circuit's capacity the spikes could sometimes overflow the buffers of Ethernet media converters and give false results.
Jonathon
-----Original Message----- From: Stefano Gridelli [mailto:sgridelli@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 29 October 2010 1:08 a.m. To: Diogo Montagner; Tim Jackson; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet performance tests
Hi Diogo
We use ixchariot endpoints installed on linux laptops to test sites for voice readiness. Ixchariot calculates for you the MOS score and, depending from the NIC, can also push close to 1 Gig of traffic. For larger bandwidth tests (I believe 6-7 Gig) and fast re-route testing (ms failover) we use ixia hardware.
Ciao
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Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following
EXFO also sells the BRIX SLA verifier, which calculates RTT, packet loss, and jitter for various applications running on top of the link layer. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Jackson [mailto:jackson.tim@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:54 PM To: Diogo Montagner Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet performance tests We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end.. We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes) http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set.. -- Tim On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote: parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
Hi all, do you know if I will be able to use two different vendors to execute these tests ? For example, let's say that I have one JDSU unit in the side A and a EXFO unit in the side B. Will these tests work ? If not, is there a way to execute these tests having two different vendors ? Thanks ./diogo -montagner On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 2:13 AM, Holmes,David A <dholmes@mwdh2o.com> wrote:
EXFO also sells the BRIX SLA verifier, which calculates RTT, packet loss, and jitter for various applications running on top of the link layer.
-----Original Message----- From: Tim Jackson [mailto:jackson.tim@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 6:54 PM To: Diogo Montagner Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Ethernet performance tests
We dispatch a technician to an end-site and perform tests either head->head with another test set, or to a loop at a far-end..
We do ITU-T Y.156sam/EtherSAM and/or RFC2544 tests depending on the customer requirements. (some customers require certain tests for x minutes)
http://www.exfo.com/en/Products/Products.aspx?Id=370 ^--All of our technicians are equipped with those EXFO sets and that module. Also covers SONET/DS1/DS3 testing as well in a single easy(er) to carry set..
-- Tim
Hello everyone,
I am looking for performance test methodology for ethernet-based circuits. These ethernet circuits can be: dark-fiber, l2circuit (martini), l2vpn (kompella), vpls or ng-vpls. Sometimes, the ethernet circuit can be a mix of these technologies, like below:
CPE <-> metro-e <-> l2circuit <-> l2vpn <-> l2circuit <-> metro-e <-> CPE
The goal is verify the performance end-to-end.
I am looking for tools that can check at least the following
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Diogo Montagner <diogo.montagner@gmail.com> wrote: parameters:
- loss - latency - jitter - bandwidth - out-of-order delivery
At this moment I have been used IPerf to achieve these results. But I would like to check if there is some test devices that can be used in situations like that to verify the ethernet-based circuit performance.
The objective of these tests is to verify the signed SLAs of each circuit before the customer start to use it.
I checked all MEF specifications and I only find something related to performance for Circuit Emulation over Metro-E (which is not my case).
Appreciate your comments.
Thanks! ./diogo -montagner
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