Thanks guys so far for the responses.... Adtran has a 5 year warranty and support for free as of today - I'm not aware of this changing but we've had a number of other companies change that policy in the past couple of years after purchasing a LOT of gear from them (Motorola, Redline come to mind among others). Cisco has "lifetime hardware warranty" on some of their gear but nobody has ever been able to tell me what that *really* means and how you would ever get it covered if you did NOT have Smartnet coverage...;) UC500's - nice boxes ... pure cost issues around this one. You need to add a 24 port switch if you want some form of density at additional cost... makes it 3X the Adtran price so gets a lot of attention here... Keep it coming guys.. appreciate it... Paul -----Original Message----- From: Smith, Steve B [mailto:ss4414@att.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:44 AM To: Chris Heighway; Paul Stewart Cc: nanog Subject: RE: Cisco vs Adtran vs Juniper And remember Adtran has a 5 year warranty and support for free. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Heighway [mailto:heighway@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:22 AM To: Paul Stewart Cc: nanog Subject: Re: Cisco vs Adtran vs Juniper On your last note Cisco also offers a all-in-one with all the features you talked about and more. They are called UC500's. _Chris On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Paul Stewart <pstewart@nexicomgroup.net> wrote:

Hi there..

I'm looking for some constructive feedback on **real world** experiences please...

We're primarily a Cisco shop today - our core and distribution are all

Cisco driven and will continue to be (won't change that so not worth discussing today).

My question is oriented towards two other markets primarily:

Security Devices Remote Office/Customer Site Devices

Let me elaborate a bit more...

Security - today, we've been deploying Cisco ASA boxes (was PIX before that) with pretty good success. However, in comparison to Juniper the

Cisco boxes are *really* expensive - at least to us anyways. Juniper has nice products so I'm looking at proposing a solution internally to

move towards the Juniper security appliances. Feedback from folks on them vs Cisco ASA??

Remote Office/Customer Site Devices - today, we do a lot of "managed routers" to customer sites. Again, cost driven, I'm being pushed towards looking at Adtran devices for customer sites that we maintain. I have nothing against Adtran but haven't viewed them to date as being

in the same "arena" as Cisco/Juniper etc.. these routers are mainly providing basic firewalling/NAT and some very small VPN activity at times.

To take this one step further, some of our voice folks are really enjoying the Adtran boxes as it offers an "all in one solution" which is a router, firewall, "voice" box (many options - PRI handoff, T1, FXS/FXO) and in some of their boxes 24 POE switch ports as well. This

is kinda cool I'll admit but the approach in the past has been to drop

in a Cisco router, Adtran for voice applications, and then Cisco POE switches if required. This is very costly compared to Adtran's all in

one approach.... so am I being stubborn on this or is the Adtran products in this case in the same league?? I had some terrible track record with Adtran a number of years ago so my back gets up when their

name is mentioned...;)

Any feedback would be very appreciated - we're going to have meetings internally in the next while to decide which product lines fit with which service offerings the best....

Thanks,

Paul

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