Re: Even the New York Times withholds the address
On-site fuel storage is one of those double-edge swords. Without on-site fuel there are several "ordinary" disasters which would be worsened if the telecommunications infrastructure went dark. For example, during ice stores, hurricanes, etc we want telecom facilities to stay up for one, two or three days, depending on how long you believe it will take for the roads to be passible for fuel trucks or the power to be restored.
This is a good example of an area where governments can intervene and do some good. 1. Local governments can prohibit fuel storage and generators at telecom sites. 2. Local governments can make it easy for telecom site operators to set up local generators and store fuel at sites that are near the telecom sites but not too near. Right now, people put the generators and the fuel in the same building because it is virtually impossible to install your own neighborhood power cabling. But there are few disaster scenarios in which a PoP would be undamaged at the same time as the nearby powerstation is out of action or disconnected. If the local power cable takes a different route from the power utility's cable then backhoe disease is avoided. If the local powerstation blows up, we are happy because the PoP is still running on utility power unlike the current situation. In fact, a single municipality could plan this as an integral part of their telecom infrastructure so that there are multiple telecom hotels spread far enough apart to avoid fate sharing and each one of them could be served by two local power stations, each of which serves several telecom hotels. These would also be spread apart to avoid fate sharing with utility power substations and cabling. If you were offered a colo facility that supplied AC power from one utility and two local generator substation sources, would you rate this better or worse than a colo facility that contained its own in-house generators and fuel storage tanks? P.S. What if the colo facility offered built-in water chillers for cooling with all the water piped downhill, down the block to a cooling tower? Would this be better or safer than existing systems? Could it possibly be built this way without municipal government involvement? --Michael Dillon
P.S. What if the colo facility offered built-in water chillers for cooling with all the water piped downhill, down the block to a cooling tower? Would this be better or safer than existing systems? Could it possibly be built this way without municipal government involvement?
Some facilities (Terremark comes to mind) offer chilled water from the local power company so you don't need to have your own chillers. What is the fault tolerance requirement for a power-company chiller plant though? Deepak Jain AiNET
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Deepak Jain wrote:
Some facilities (Terremark comes to mind) offer chilled water from the local power company so you don't need to have your own chillers. What is the fault tolerance requirement for a power-company chiller plant though?
We use chilled water (4-8 C) with regular tap water as a backup (separate system). We have a water tower nearby, they say they can give us very high probability that any one of these two will provide cooling at any given time. As far as I know none of them have failed during the past two years of operation. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
Water towers/tap water depend entirely on the amount of heat you are trying to lose divided by the amount of space you have to lose it in. I am sure some colos can just open the windows (if they have any) and run some fans. :) DJ
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Mikael Abrahamsson Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:56 PM To: Deepak Jain Cc: Michael.Dillon@radianz.com; nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Even the New York Times withholds the address
On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Deepak Jain wrote:
Some facilities (Terremark comes to mind) offer chilled water from the local power company so you don't need to have your own chillers. What is the fault tolerance requirement for a power-company chiller plant though?
We use chilled water (4-8 C) with regular tap water as a backup (separate system). We have a water tower nearby, they say they can give us very high probability that any one of these two will provide cooling at any given time. As far as I know none of them have failed during the past two years of operation.
-- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
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Deepak Jain
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