-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of EA Louie Sent: 31 December 2001 08:01 To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Automated DLR conflict detection ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesper Skriver" <jesper@skriver.dk>

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Actually I would be much happy with a Certified something. I can't figure out why people want a CCIE to run their Juniper routers.

Because a CCIE is about a lot more than knowing how to configure a Cisco device, very few will pass a CCIE test without _knowing_ the technology, and what they are doing, and that is the same regardless of the label on the equipment.

That may have been true during your genre of CCIE's, but not with the latest round of CCIE's, my friends... you should see the posts I see on the ccie lab mailing lists. Its enough to scare even me, and I don't scare easily. The latest round of study materials is creating a "puppy mill" of CCIEs - inexperienced, money-hungry, power-conscious, and absolutely clueless. I wouldn't give most of them the enable passwords to my routers... I agree that certainly the newer CCIE trend is for money as fast as possible and I have meet some of the newer CCIE's and ....... However something to note is the vast amount of CCIE's work for Gold Partners in these kind of environments it is very hard to hide. Of the better CCIE's I have worked with they tend to be very down to earth. I have meet some very self important guys as well, these tend to have something to hide. Many seem to have a problem saying "I dont know" the betters ones can say I dont know but they will find out for you. I hope to be joining the "puppy mill" soon and if I get power consciuos my peers will be quick to give me a kick back to relatity. Regards, Kevin ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. For more information contact postmaster@lancomms.ie phone + 353 1 4093000 fax + 353 1 4093001 **********************************************************************