Personally, I don't like spam, but I tolerate the messages that slip through to my mailbox as a penalty for my own laziness in not tightening down my spam rules. Today I got one that I couldn't believe. --snip-- Spam Hosting - from 20$ per mounth. Fraud Hosting - from 30$ per mounth. Stoln Credit Cards, Fake ID, DL's. Spam For free only from 1.02.2004 to 5.02.2004. --snip-- It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder? -Ejay
** Reply to message from "Ejay Hire" <ejay.hire@isdn.net> on Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:01:19 -0600
Personally, I don't like spam, but I tolerate the messages that slip through to my mailbox as a penalty for my own laziness in not tightening down my spam rules. Today I got one that I couldn't believe.
--snip-- Spam Hosting - from 20$ per mounth. Fraud Hosting - from 30$ per mounth. Stoln Credit Cards, Fake ID, DL's. Spam For free only from 1.02.2004 to 5.02.2004. --snip--
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
-Ejay
This is known as "Rule #3" on n.a.n-a.e... Spammers are stupid. -- Jeff Shultz Loose nut behind the wheel.
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:01:19 -0600 Ejay Hire <ejay.hire@isdn.net> wrote:
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
this is actually a somewhat well known situation, it appears that there are two warring groups of spammers joe-jobbing each other (and if you look at the from addresses, you may see them trying to get various ISP and anti-spammer mail boxes pounded by angry responses.) i've got a whole collection of them. been getting them for months. it's also somewhat offtopic for this list. i suggest that followups be off list, unless they can be typed into IOS. richard -- Richard Welty rwelty@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security
In article <200402022103.i12L3c623832@rex.isdn.net>, Ejay Hire <ejay.hire@isdn.net> writes
Personally, I don't like spam, but I tolerate the messages that slip through to my mailbox as a penalty for my own laziness in not tightening down my spam rules. Today I got one that I couldn't believe.
--snip-- Spam Hosting - from 20$ per mounth. Fraud Hosting - from 30$ per mounth. Stoln Credit Cards, Fake ID, DL's. Spam For free only from 1.02.2004 to 5.02.2004. --snip--
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
Remember, all spammers lie. But what were these spammers lying about? -- Roland Perry
ejay.hire@isdn.net ("Ejay Hire") writes:
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
the spammers have nothing to fear from you, or us, or me, or anybody. with the incredible number of bottomfeeders and antivirus companies polluting the econsystem with their own various get-rich-quick schemes, there's no way to tell the difference between good and bad traffic, good and bad intent, good and bad providers, etc. the spam/antispam battleground is all just mud now. -- Paul Vixie
On 2 Feb 2004, Paul Vixie wrote:
the spammers have nothing to fear from you, or us, or me, or anybody. with the incredible number of bottomfeeders and antivirus companies polluting the econsystem with their own various get-rich-quick schemes, there's no way to tell the difference between good and bad traffic, good and bad intent, good and bad providers, etc. the spam/antispam battleground is all just mud now.
Everyone should be glad for the Internet making all of us feel like rich and famous. A lot more people want our attention (and money) than we wish to deal with. And this is not only the spam problem - the technology-related privacy and identity issues are merely the other side of the same phenomenon - the rich & famous had to fight with gossips, paparazzi and various con artists for as long as there were money, power and fame. And because rich and famous had this problem for a long, long time, they managed to devise some solutions. So everything we do about "cyberage" problems like spam is going to be some automation of those old solutions. Call me elitist, or old-worlder, but my preferred way of dealing with it is "choose who you are associating with". Introductions. In newspeak - whitelists. --vadim
On Monday, February 02, 2004 4:01 PM [GMT-5=EST], Ejay Hire <ejay.hire@isdn.net> wrote:
It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
Its called a joe job - spammers do it when they get spanked by an antispammer or someone else they don't like. Usually happens right after their service gets shut off, but they could do it for dozens of reasons. Hipcrime (aka dippy) loves doing this, and less then two months ago he went on a joe job spree spamming my home phone number and a dozen other people's. They are bold, and don't seem to fear anyone. You can keep killing them, and they don't learn. -- Brian Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources http://www.sosdg.org The AHBL - http://www.ahbl.org
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, Brian Bruns wrote:
They are bold, and don't seem to fear anyone. You can keep killing them, and they don't learn.
That's because nobody's _killing_ them. There is an anecdotal story of some russian ISP actually sending few toughs to beat up some HACK0R DUD3Z. That ISP had seen a dramatically decreased number of attacks on its servers and customers. --vadim
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004 15:01:19 -0600 "Ejay Hire" <ejay.hire@isdn.net> wrote:
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It's just wrong in my opinion, and exacerbated by the fact that it was spammend to our abuse account. Their /24 just fell off of my piece of the internet. Have I just been blind to this all along, or are the spammers getting bolder?
-Ejay
Don't forget that the bulk of SPAM sent nowadays originate from zombie M$ boxes sitting on home broadband connections. Be very sure that the IP space is owned by the guilty party before blackholing addresses. -- Bill Thompson BillT@Mahagonny.com GPG Key ID:0xFB966670
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