good geographic for servers reaching the South East Asia market
Hi All, I guess this is a bit off-topic since this is the North American network operators group, but I was wondering if anybody had much experience with fiber infrastructure in the South East Asia area. For reference, generally the WikiPedia entry on South East Asia describes the service delivery area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia Basically looking for tips on what cities/countries/locations have as much (mostly submarine cabling in this case?) fiber connectivity and redundancy. From there I can trim down where to begin looking specifically at data centers and colocation options. Also, if anybody offhand has any tips on political stability and/or the risk of some kind of unwanted censorship by a given country, that would be helpful as well. Feel free to post back on-list or off-list. Thanks, - Michael DeMan
Singapore, with a fallback / DR location in say Hong Kong. [Or vice versa depending on what parts of south east asia you want .. for india, singapore would be your best bet] On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:20 AM, Michael DeMan <nanog@deman.com> wrote:
For reference, generally the WikiPedia entry on South East Asia describes the service delivery area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia
Basically looking for tips on what cities/countries/locations have as much (mostly submarine cabling in this case?) fiber connectivity and redundancy. From there I can trim down where to begin looking specifically at data centers and colocation options.
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
Hello from Cambodia. I am familiar with the situation in Cambodia and some surrounding countries. On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Michael DeMan wrote:
Basically looking for tips on what cities/countries/locations have as much (mostly submarine cabling in this case?) fiber connectivity and redundancy. From there I can trim down where to begin looking specifically at data centers and colocation options.
Hong Kong, Singapore (and Taiwan). Hong Kong is the best choice for some countries in the region: countries such as Cambodia and Vietnam have their uplinks mostly through Hong Kong. Singapore is the best choice for others: Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia have good connectivity to Singapore. Taiwan I would place as the 3rd option. No other realistic options exist in the region beyond that... US west coast is often the best option if you are not prepared to spend a lot of money (but check your upstream's peering with major SEA providers first).
Also, if anybody offhand has any tips on political stability and/or the risk of some kind of unwanted censorship by a given country, that would be helpful as well.
All countries within the region are unsafe when it comes to censorship. Hong Kong is probably the only nearby place which does not openly practice censorship currently, but I would not count on that as it is just a (autonomous) province of China. -- Janne Snabb / EPIPE Communications snabb@epipe.com - http://epipe.com/
Hi Janne, Any thoughts about Malaysia? The outfit I am working for on this right now already has manufacturing facilities there and it would be easier for them to do it in-country. I would guess that probably everything from Kuala Lampur area is trunked via Singapore anyway? - mike On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Janne Snabb <snabb@epipe.com> wrote:
Hello from Cambodia. I am familiar with the situation in Cambodia and some surrounding countries.
On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Michael DeMan wrote:
Basically looking for tips on what cities/countries/locations have as much (mostly submarine cabling in this case?) fiber connectivity and redundancy. From there I can trim down where to begin looking specifically at data centers and colocation options.
Hong Kong, Singapore (and Taiwan).
Hong Kong is the best choice for some countries in the region: countries such as Cambodia and Vietnam have their uplinks mostly through Hong Kong.
Singapore is the best choice for others: Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia have good connectivity to Singapore.
Taiwan I would place as the 3rd option.
No other realistic options exist in the region beyond that... US west coast is often the best option if you are not prepared to spend a lot of money (but check your upstream's peering with major SEA providers first).
Also, if anybody offhand has any tips on political stability and/or the risk of some kind of unwanted censorship by a given country, that would be helpful as well.
All countries within the region are unsafe when it comes to censorship. Hong Kong is probably the only nearby place which does not openly practice censorship currently, but I would not count on that as it is just a (autonomous) province of China.
-- Janne Snabb / EPIPE Communications snabb@epipe.com - http://epipe.com/
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 6/17/11 4:22 AM, Michael DeMan wrote:
Hi Janne,
Any thoughts about Malaysia? The outfit I am working for on this right now already has manufacturing facilities there and it would be easier for them to do it in-country.
I would guess that probably everything from Kuala Lampur area is trunked via Singapore anyway?
Far from true, Allmost all subsea cables land in both countries. there are a few that only land in one. There is overland fiber connectivity as well. Though, choice of carriers available inside carrier hotels in Singapore is much higher. Ultimately, your choices will be determined by other factors (costs, ease of deployments), then based on connectivity. - -gaurab - -- http://www.gaurab.org.np/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk38IRgACgkQSo7fU26F3X0CqQCeJT/sgstTuDuBnXk16PP5GLZV w5IAn2iaWq/YcACeweLG/Ll2xL+Zpg3+ =D4xF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, I wanted to thank everybody for their feedback. Everything seems to correlate with what I have heard - generally Hong Kong and Singapore are the major hubs, with Tokyo even being an option even though it is not 'geographically' close and also possibly there are options in Malaysia. I think I have what I need for this. I am just a worker-bee on this project getting preliminary information for a potential project by a client next year, which may not or may not even be a 'go' anyway. Out of curiosity, I stumbled across this kind of cool map of submarine cables - does anybody know if it is very accurate or up to date? If nothing else, it is kind of fun to play with since you can slide around and zoom in/out with it and stuff. http://www.cablemap.info/ - Mike On Jun 15, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Michael DeMan wrote:
Hi All,
I guess this is a bit off-topic since this is the North American network operators group, but I was wondering if anybody had much experience with fiber infrastructure in the South East Asia area.
For reference, generally the WikiPedia entry on South East Asia describes the service delivery area: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southeast_Asia
Basically looking for tips on what cities/countries/locations have as much (mostly submarine cabling in this case?) fiber connectivity and redundancy. From there I can trim down where to begin looking specifically at data centers and colocation options.
Also, if anybody offhand has any tips on political stability and/or the risk of some kind of unwanted censorship by a given country, that would be helpful as well.
Feel free to post back on-list or off-list.
Thanks,
- Michael DeMan
I wouldn't recommend malaysia when singapore is available next door with excellent connectivity region wide On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:13 AM, Michael DeMan <nanog@deman.com> wrote:
I wanted to thank everybody for their feedback. Everything seems to correlate with what I have heard - generally Hong Kong and Singapore are the major hubs, with Tokyo even being an option even though it is not 'geographically' close and also possibly there are options in Malaysia.
I think I have what I need for this. I am just a worker-bee on this project getting preliminary information for a potential project by a client next year, which may not or may not even be a 'go' anyway.
Out of curiosity, I stumbled across this kind of cool map of submarine cables - does anybody know if it is very accurate or up to date? If nothing else, it is kind of fun to play with since you can slide around and zoom in/out with it and stuff.
-- Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.lists@gmail.com)
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