Alexei Roudnev wrote: (but we still like old and cheap 2x1Ggz servers, able to do 99% of all tasks).
Barely worth it anymore, these days you can find an Intel Server Chassis SR2300 and Intel Server Board SE7501WV2 (SCSI) for $1,500; it's a 2U dual-Xeon dual-channel DDR with 6 hot-swap scsi bays. I have to say that I get impatient when I work on anything that does not have dual-channel DDR; it does not take much time to get used to it :-(
PS. I like E-bay; last example - our collegues spend a long negotiations and settle price for Cisco switches with a good discount; 10 seconds e-bay search revealed exactly the same systems in original boxes (unopened) 10% cheaper -:)
Hear, hear. And since it's new, no re-licensing issues. Hardware costs nothing these days: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73321&item=571185 5935&rd=1 Maybe that's what I'll ask Santa this year: a BFR^H^H^H GSR to replace my home router. <shameless plug> Looking for someone to provide an OC-12 to my home for $100/mo so I can test the router mentioned above. Oh, I also need this, don't I? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=51126654 63&rd=1 </shameless plug> Michel.
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:10:09 -0700, Michel Py <michel@arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:
Alexei Roudnev wrote: (but we still like old and cheap 2x1Ggz servers, able to do 99% of all tasks).
Barely worth it anymore, these days you can find an Intel Server Chassis SR2300 and Intel Server Board SE7501WV2 (SCSI) for $1,500; it's a 2U dual-Xeon dual-channel DDR with 6 hot-swap scsi bays. I have to say that I get impatient when I work on anything that does not have dual-channel DDR; it does not take much time to get used to it :-(
PS. I like E-bay; last example - our collegues spend a long negotiations and settle price for Cisco switches with a good discount; 10 seconds e-bay search revealed exactly the same systems in original boxes (unopened) 10% cheaper -:)
Hear, hear. And since it's new, no re-licensing issues.
Hardware costs nothing these days: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73321&item=571185 5935&rd=1 Maybe that's what I'll ask Santa this year: a BFR^H^H^H GSR to replace my home router.
<shameless plug> Looking for someone to provide an OC-12 to my home for $100/mo so I can test the router mentioned above. Oh, I also need this, don't I? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=51126654 63&rd=1 </shameless plug>
Called Cogent? There prices arn't that low but pretty close, and if you find a nice sales guy you may be able to wiggle some of it out of him.
Michel.
Josh
<shameless plug> Looking for someone to provide an OC-12 to my home for $100/mo so I can test the router mentioned above. Oh, I also need this, don't I? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=51126654 63&rd=1 </shameless plug>
Called Cogent? There prices arn't that low but pretty close, and if you find a nice sales guy you may be able to wiggle some of it out of him. Yes, the have excellent prices, and provides really good bandwidth. If you are not awared about other IP services, or about proactive network monitoring and configuration (as Internap) - they are a good selection.
Michel.
Josh
Ok, so we pay extra $500 and spend extra 1U for what - more power which we do not need, costly memory which we do not need, and extra space which we do not have? No, these 1U / 2CPU P-III SuperMicro 6010{H,L} servers are really a very difficult to find (impossible now) - because everyone love them; they do not have any new (and unknown to OS) interface cards, are not overpriced ($1K for 2GB / 2disk / 2 x 1Ggz CPU server is not much...), are 1U, and do their job very well. Purachasing 2U dell servers for $2K when you can use 1U server for $1K (and when you are sure, that you always find a proper job for these servers) is not a good idea. if you use VMWare, virtual hosts, etc etc... may be... or if you host very complicated applciations, I agree. 99% apps servers do not require 6 disks (they are stateless), do not require very fast CPU, even do not require dual power supply (because you are doing redundancy on the server level, by installing 2 - 3 servers in parallel, which is much more reliable than _dual everything inside_ approach - so why should you pay extra money? Was you impatient when you run domain controllers on non-dual-channel DDR? Linux and DNS servers? FreeBSD and mail relaying system? Was you impatient when you run GHOST server on such system? Log server? Front End for low performance applications? I never saw any problems. If we saw a problem, we instantly migraded onto 2U / 2 x P-IV / Dual DDR server (we use a cloning and have universal multi platform image for Windoze, and there is not any problem to migrate anything if you use Linux or FreeBSD). PS. Hmm. ask Santa about Cisco 7509 for your home router. And you can get solid, and serious Sun Enterprice 4500 for only $3K, and use it in the kitchen as a table or drawer... The bigger HW, the more it losts every year (example - Netra T1 servers sill cost 30% of their initial price, but Sun E4500 cost barely 7% of their initial price - it's because I can always make use for Netra T1 1U Unix system with 2 disks, but I am not crazy to use big and unreliable E4500 for anything...
Alexei Roudnev wrote: (but we still like old and cheap 2x1Ggz servers, able to do 99% of all tasks).
Barely worth it anymore, these days you can find an Intel Server Chassis SR2300 and Intel Server Board SE7501WV2 (SCSI) for $1,500; it's a 2U dual-Xeon dual-channel DDR with 6 hot-swap scsi bays. I have to say that I get impatient when I work on anything that does not have dual-channel DDR; it does not take much time to get used to it :-(
PS. I like E-bay; last example - our collegues spend a long negotiations and settle price for Cisco switches with a good discount; 10 seconds e-bay search revealed exactly the same systems in original boxes (unopened) 10% cheaper -:)
Hear, hear. And since it's new, no re-licensing issues. Hardware costs nothing these days: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73321&item=571185 5935&rd=1 Maybe that's what I'll ask Santa this year: a BFR^H^H^H GSR to replace my home router. <shameless plug> Looking for someone to provide an OC-12 to my home for $100/mo so I can test the router mentioned above. Oh, I also need this, don't I? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=51126654 63&rd=1 </shameless plug> Michel.
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