FYI - China To Launch Alternate Country Code Domains
---- From: Michael Geist <mgeist@pobox.com> Date: February 28, 2006 9:24:09 AM EST To: dave@farber.net Subject: China To Launch Alternate Country Code Domains Dave, China is preparing to launch what appears to be an alternate root. Starting tomorrow, they will establish four country-code domains. In addition to the current dot-cn, they will offer Chinese character versions of dot-China, dot-net, and dot-com. As one article puts it, this "means Internet users don't have to surf the Web via the servers under the management of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) of the United States." Coverage from China is at http://english.people.com.cn/200602/28/eng20060228_246712.html I've got some quick commentary at <http://michaelgeist.ca/component/option,com_content/task,view/id,1130/Itemi d,85/nsub,/> which includes: "The alternate root has always lurked in the background as a possibility that would force everyone to rethink their positions since it would enable a single country (or group of countries) to effectively pack up their bags and start a new game. The U.S. control would accordingly prove illusory since a new domain name system situated elsewhere would be subject to its own rules. While the two could theoretically co-exist by having ISPs simply recognize both roots, the system could "break" if both roots contained identical extensions. In other words, one root can have dot-com and other other can have dot-corp, but they can't both have dot-com. It is with that background in mind that people need to think about a press release issued yesterday in China announcing a revamping of its Internet domain name system. Starting tomorrow, China's Ministry of Information Industry plans to begin offering four country-code domains. In addition to the dot-cn country code domain, three new Chinese character domains are on the way: dot-China, dot-net, and dot-com. As the People's Daily Online notes this "means Internet users don't have to surf the Web via the servers under the management of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) of the United States." In other words, the Chinese Internet becomes a reality tomorrow. With it, the rules of the game may change as 110 million Internet users will suddenly have access to a competing dot-com (albeit in a different character set) and will no longer rely exclusively on ICANN for the resolution of Internet domain name queries. This change was probably inevitable regardless of the status of ICANN, however, the U.S. position can't possibly have helped matters. Indeed, some might note that while Congress has been criticizing U.S. companies for cooperating with Chinese law enforcement and thereby harming Internet freedoms, those same Congressional leaders may have done the same by refusing to even consider surrendering some control over the Internet root to the international community and thereby opening the door to an alternate root that could prove even worse from a freedom perspective. This week's announcement certainly doesn't mark the end of a global interoperable Internet. It does move one step further toward that path since in Internet governance terms, the credible threat is now real." MG --********************************************************************** Professor Michael A. Geist Canada Research Chair in Internet and E-commerce Law University of Ottawa, Faculty of Law 57 Louis Pasteur St., Ottawa, Ontario, K1N 6N5 Tel: 613-562-5800, x3319 Fax: 613-562-5124 mgeist@pobox.com http://www.michaelgeist.ca
william(at)elan.net wrote:
---- From: Michael Geist <mgeist@pobox.com> Date: February 28, 2006 9:24:09 AM EST To: dave@farber.net Subject: China To Launch Alternate Country Code Domains
Dave,
China is preparing to launch what appears to be an alternate root.
China is creating an alternate root, which it can control while using the Chinese language. I doubt I need to tell any of you about ICANN, VeriSign, Internet Governance, alternate roots or the history of these issues. Everyone else will. Unlike most of my colleagues, I hold a different opinion on the subject and have for some time. China launches an alternate root? It's about time they do, too! They have been answering their root server queries in-country for some time now on their own. This really doesn't come as any surprise or as news. The only surprise is that this is hitting the news only now as it has been going on for a while. The United States wants to keep the so-called Internet Governance and control of IP allocation and Internet Naming all to itself. Why should I, or anyone else for that matter use their system, than? They haven't even been a benevolent dictator, for that matter. If one kid in the kinder-garden keeps the only chair to himself, other kids are going to eventually get their own and sit down. Worse still, they will now be shunning that first kid. Can you blame them? Did anyone honestly think the US Government can make people use their pool while it becomes intolerable or the entry fee is ridiculous? They will, until they build their own. This alternate root is of the making of the US Government and ICANN. Alternate roots normally, equal evil. As in my opinion the negative aspects have been shown to out-shine the positive ones. Alternate roots today, equal lesser evil. That is the corner we have been forced into. Time to eat what we cooked. Go China! Who is next? No one likes bullies. My opinion may vary from that of most, but I stick to it. Internet Governance when it comes to these issues is all the hype, and in my educated opinion is indeed important, but has very little, if even that, to do with actual "Internet Governance". In my opinion, this on-going debate and all the politics involved are ridiculous. It is true that IP allocation and Naming are important issues on the Internet, but the traffic still flows and the users still use. More importantly, they also still abuse and get abused. Governing the Internet? I don't think so. I honestly believe that the biggest stakeholders of the Internet today are Microsoft and the Russian Mob. Why I believe that is the case? It is all about ROI in the billions on billions of USD, lost and gained. Botnets, phishing and spam just start to show what's really going on. The Internet today is all about getting things done and stay functional for the users on the one hand, and the operators and heroes who make it happen on the other. To ensure continual operations, what most of it comes down to is cooperation and sharing across the Internet. What that in turn comes down to is establishing trust across the Internet, while; 1. Responding to global incidents, 2. Investigating, researching and preventing risks to the infrastructure. Why should I trust a smiling guy from Korea who I never even met? He may be the one attacking me or at the very least untrustworthy. He may also be the one who can help me. How do I know? That is what some of us have been working on for some years now, operationally. That infrastructure called the Internet is Global. "International Infrastructure" is an issue which must be introduced a lot more often. International Infrastructure is what the Internet is, rather than just "National Infrastructure". If the Internet does go down in another country, it may very well effect your network, your day-to-day life and your economy to varying levels. That, my friends, is a whole other subject that Governments can't handle on their own. If they try, we will suffer for it. They can however, help. We need their help. This doesn't mark the end of "a Global Interoperable Internet". I strongly believe it's just the beginning. All that being said, on the subject of alternate roots: 1. This particular alternate root has no immediate operational impact nor threatens the ICANN "world peace". It already hasn't for a while now. 2. China may have valid reasons for doing this and in fact, little choice on the matter, but it is also harmful and highlights the separatist choices China has made on the Internet thus far. 3. This should not be about China's separatist or questionable choices. We have more than enough of that, and rightly so. This should be about China for once acting as a leader and a hero on the Internet. 4. It signals of the eventual coming change if the United States Government doesn't wake up and climb off the slowly falling tree. and 5. The world will just go on tomorrow with little real change, do we have to go through the usual end-of-the-Internet predictions yet again? Naturally, this is only my opinion. Gadi. -- http://blogs.securiteam.com/ "Out of the box is where I live". -- Cara "Starbuck" Thrace, Battlestar Galactica.
At 06:54 PM 2/28/2006, Gadi Evron wrote:
william(at)elan.net wrote:
---- From: Michael Geist <mgeist@pobox.com> Date: February 28, 2006 9:24:09 AM EST To: dave@farber.net Subject: China To Launch Alternate Country Code Domains
Dave,
China is preparing to launch what appears to be an alternate root.
China is creating an alternate root, which it can control while using the Chinese language.
I doubt I need to tell any of you about ICANN, VeriSign, Internet Governance, alternate roots or the history of these issues. Everyone else will.
It may not be so clear cut. Check out Mark Jeftovic, a trusted source on DNS information, and a director of CIRA: http://blog.easydns.org/archives/60-China-Top-Level-Domain-news-possibly-not... -M< -- Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation (w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Network Operations hannigan@renesys.com
Martin Hannigan <hannigan@renesys.com> writes:
It may not be so clear cut. Check out Mark Jeftovic, a trusted source on DNS information, and a director of CIRA:
http://blog.easydns.org/archives/60-China-Top-Level-Domain-news-possibly-not...
"It has become clearer after trading a couple emails around that the news is indeed that China has added com.cn and net.cn as well as their ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ own alternate character set implementations for com and net." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OK, now this has some possibilities. Where do I send money to get my zones removed from or wildecarded to 127.0.0.1 in the Chinese version of com and net? ---Rob
Robert E.Seastrom wrote:
Martin Hannigan <hannigan@renesys.com> writes:
It may not be so clear cut. Check out Mark Jeftovic, a trusted source on DNS information, and a director of CIRA:
http://blog.easydns.org/archives/60-China-Top-Level-Domain-news-possibly-not...
"It has become clearer after trading a couple emails around that the news is indeed that China has added com.cn and net.cn as well as their ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ own alternate character set implementations for com and net." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OK, now this has some possibilities. Where do I send money to get my zones removed from or wildecarded to 127.0.0.1 in the Chinese version of com and net?
---Rob
; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any XN--55QX5D. @a.dns.cn. ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4125 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;XN--55QX5D. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: XN--55QX5D. 3600 IN SOA hawk2.cnnic.net.cn. \ root.cnnic.cn. \ 2006030104 3600 900 604800 3600 XN--55QX5D. 3600 IN NS cdns4.cnnic.net.cn. XN--55QX5D. 3600 IN NS cdns5.cnnic.net.cn. XN--55QX5D. 3600 IN NS hawk2.cnnic.net.cn. XN--55QX5D. 3600 IN NS cdns3.cnnic.net.cn. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: cdns3.cnnic.net.cn. 53 IN A 210.52.214.86 ;; Query time: 395 msec ;; SERVER: 203.119.25.1#53(a.dns.cn.) ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 1 07:48:01 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 183 ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any XN--IO0A7I. @a.dns.cn. ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 24228 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;XN--IO0A7I. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: XN--IO0A7I. 3600 IN SOA hawk2.cnnic.net.cn. \ root.cnnic.cn. \ 2006030104 3600 900 604800 3600 XN--IO0A7I. 3600 IN NS cdns4.cnnic.net.cn. XN--IO0A7I. 3600 IN NS cdns5.cnnic.net.cn. XN--IO0A7I. 3600 IN NS hawk2.cnnic.net.cn. XN--IO0A7I. 3600 IN NS cdns3.cnnic.net.cn. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: cdns3.cnnic.net.cn. 3 IN A 210.52.214.86 ;; Query time: 396 msec ;; SERVER: 203.119.25.1#53(a.dns.cn.) ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 1 07:48:51 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 183 root@cnnic.cn. ============== is the address you are looking for. ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t mx cnnic.cn. ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 64052 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;cnnic.cn. IN MX ;; ANSWER SECTION: cnnic.cn. 10 IN MX 10 mail01.cnnic.cn. ;; Query time: 876 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.208.228#53(192.168.208.228) ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 1 08:00:52 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 49 The domain are not news. Tiscali (europe) has quite some email traffic going to and coming from them. In the Netherlands every Coffee Shop I have seen, is connected to them. You can send/receive emails from China. You get the best Capuccino. WiFi is for free. You can watch the beautiful flowerpots and guess what they smoke? It is legal over there. The shoes you are wearing most likely come from this company: http://xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d/ The soles at least. ; <<>> DiG 9.1.3 <<>> -t any xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d @ns1.tiscali.nl ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 39513 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 4, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 2 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. IN ANY ;; ANSWER SECTION: xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN SOA ns5.ce.net.cn. tech.ce.net.cn. \ 2004072009 3600 900 1209600 1800 xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN A 210.51.169.151 xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN MX 10 mail.xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN NS ns5.ce.net.cn. ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN NS ns5.ce.net.cn. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: mail.xn--8pru44h.xn--55qx5d. 1800 IN A 210.51.171.29 ns5.ce.net.cn. 1799 IN A 210.51.171.200 ;; Query time: 155 msec ;; SERVER: 195.241.77.53#53(ns1.tiscali.nl) ;; WHEN: Wed Mar 1 08:13:10 2006 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 191 Cesidian-Root, Public-Root, Unified-Root and of course Tiscali do serve them for quite some time now. djbdns (the unpatched version) has no problems serving and resolving them. For bind there exists a patched version at: http://www.i-dns.net/ Cheers Peter and Karin Dambier -- Peter and Karin Dambier The Public-Root Consortium Graeffstrasse 14 D-64646 Heppenheim +49(6252)671-788 (Telekom) +49(179)108-3978 (O2 Genion) +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de) mail: peter@peter-dambier.de mail: peter@echnaton.serveftp.com http://iason.site.voila.fr/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
I've read the public announcement of Chinese Ministry of Information Industry. It just state that: there will be another sub-domain mil.cn created besides another six english lettter sub domain in .cn And, it also states: three Chinese Character TLD is establish which is "China"/"Cooperation"/"Network". In fact, these top level chinese character TLD exist for years; and these TLD is supported by public-root.com for years. Could this be "NEWs"?
From viewpoint of computer science, domain name is just a database structure which is used to represent IP address. So, it should NOT be limited to 7-bit code and should allow 8-bit code scheme. Considering robustness of Internet, a distributed service system is surely better than a central one.
Joe --- Martin Hannigan <hannigan@renesys.com> wrote:
At 06:54 PM 2/28/2006, Gadi Evron wrote:
william(at)elan.net wrote:
---- From: Michael Geist <mgeist@pobox.com> Date: February 28, 2006 9:24:09 AM EST To: dave@farber.net Subject: China To Launch Alternate Country Code
Domains
Dave,
China is preparing to launch what appears to be
an alternate root.
China is creating an alternate root, which it can control while using the Chinese language.
I doubt I need to tell any of you about ICANN, VeriSign, Internet Governance, alternate roots or the history of these issues. Everyone else will.
It may not be so clear cut. Check out Mark Jeftovic, a trusted source on DNS information, and a director of CIRA:
http://blog.easydns.org/archives/60-China-Top-Level-Domain-news-possibly-not...
-M<
-- Martin Hannigan (c) 617-388-2663 Renesys Corporation (w) 617-395-8574 Member of Technical Staff Network Operations
hannigan@renesys.com
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On Wed, 1 Mar 2006, Gadi Evron wrote:
The United States wants to keep the so-called Internet Governance and control of IP allocation and Internet Naming all to itself. Why should I, or anyone else for that matter use their system, than? They haven't even been a benevolent dictator, for that matter.
FUD. 2826. Old news. Old thread. Blood stain marking former site of equine. -- -- Todd Vierling <tv@duh.org> <tv@pobox.com> <todd@vierling.name>
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