for all of the $adjective schemes and ideas that have been posted, has anyone (besides jon and few others affected) been doing anything substanitive? outreach, more than any technical 'magic' that we can come up with, is the only 'real' solution (subjective real, what is real to me probably doesn't mean sh*t to you, but, hey, wtf). the media might be good, perhaps some online tech sites (someone with a 'big' name in networking would probably be better able to get exposure/contact than a network nobody) - there are/were some reporter-types lurking on nanog (are you out there??), if you are please help. one thing that has been mentioned is the bogon style filtering in various o/s firewall scripts. anyone thought to contact the authors of those scripts, or of the howtos on places like tldp.org? or is everyone too busy reveling in their technical grandeur.... the problem is simple: outdated filters. the cause is murkier, but lack of clue is probably the biggest, followed closely by lack of documentation on the part of previous admins (but we all document our work carefully right?!?!) the solution is simple: tell people that their filters are out of date the implementation is difficult only in terms of scale. none of us have the time to call/email or otherwise track down every admin out there, so we have to use the tools available to us (unless you really really think that reinventing the wheel again is a good thing) my $0.02 usd - this network nobody is now returning you to your regularly scheduled ego-fest joshua Richard A Steenbergen <ras@e-gerbil.net> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 04:44:11PM -0800, JC Dill wrote:

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Charles Sprickman wrote:

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Seriously though, somewhere there is a popular site that is non-profit

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nature that would trade say a month of free access for the hassle of being put into a widely-blocked block.

The suggestion of putting Yahoo or Google on a 69/8 IP led me to this idea:

Google could put their *beta* sites on a 69/8 IP, without causing them (Google) much Internet reachability/connectivity harm, and benefiting the Internet at large considerably.

(Note to Mr. Dill, this is not intended to pick on you specifically, it's just a convenient place to butt in)

JESUS H CHRIST ENOUGH ALREADY... Please stop with the hairbrained ideas to put random things in 69/8 space. These goals are mutually exclusive. You can't put important stuff on broken IPs, and you can't fix broken IPs by putting unimportant stuff on them. No one is going to move all of the root servers to try and fix a couple outdated filters, and no one who is still running outdated filters is going to notice it because they can't reach Google beta sites.

These are not just bad ideas, they are STUPID ideas. What happened to the days when, before people posted to mailing lists, they thought "will this make me look like an idiot in front of engineers across the entire planet"? This is quickly not only becoming one of the most all-time useless threads ever, but it is continuing to repell the useful people who can no longer stand to read NANOG because of crap like this.

Listen, I have space in 69/8, and it is NOT an epidemic. Back when 64/8 was opened up it destroyed a beautiful 64/3 filter on unallocated space, and yet somehow we all made it through just fine. The people who are stupid enough to filter IPs without a plan on keeping those filters up to date deserve their connectivity problems. Maybe next time they'll give consideration to whether they actually need unallocated bogon filters on every last linux server. :)

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