Slightly off-topic... Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should they? Some possible examples (if anyone reads them): SIGCOMM (http://www.acm.org/sigcomm/), BCR (http://www.bcr.com/bcrmag/), Cisco's IPJ (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/759/). I'm leaving off "news" publications like Light Reading and Network World. Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of journals obsolete? :) -- Daniel Golding Network and Telecommunications Strategies Burton Group
Daniel Golding wrote:
Slightly off-topic...
Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should they?
Some possible examples (if anyone reads them): SIGCOMM (http://www.acm.org/sigcomm/), BCR (http://www.bcr.com/bcrmag/), Cisco's IPJ (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/759/).
I'm leaving off "news" publications like Light Reading and Network World. Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of journals obsolete? :)
IEEE/ACM Transactions on Networking?
IEEE, but it's a little on the expensive side if you pay your own dues... http://ieee.org/portal/index.jsp http://www.comsoc.org/ http://www.comsoc.org/~ni/ scott On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Daniel Golding wrote: : : Slightly off-topic... : : Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish : interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to : the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications : exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should : they? : : Some possible examples (if anyone reads them): : SIGCOMM (http://www.acm.org/sigcomm/), : BCR (http://www.bcr.com/bcrmag/), : Cisco's IPJ (http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/759/). : : I'm leaving off "news" publications like Light Reading and Network World. : Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of : journals obsolete? :) : : -- : Daniel Golding : Network and Telecommunications Strategies : Burton Group : : :
ACM SIGCOMM CCR is a good venue to publish early results of research and the editorial process is quick.
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 03:01:56PM -0500, Daniel Golding wrote: [ various journals ]
Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of journals obsolete? :)
Powerpoints have a hard time matching the depth of a refereed journal submission, because with the powerpoint, soundbites tend to take precedence over content. /vijay
Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of journals obsolete? :) Powerpoints have a hard time matching the depth of a refereed journal submission, because with the powerpoint, soundbites tend to take precedence over content.
Power corrupts; Powerpoint corrupts absolutely. -- vint cerf
On 3/24/04 9:50 AM, "vijay gill" <vgill@vijaygill.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 03:01:56PM -0500, Daniel Golding wrote:
[ various journals ]
Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of journals obsolete? :)
Powerpoints have a hard time matching the depth of a refereed journal submission, because with the powerpoint, soundbites tend to take precedence over content.
/vijay
Vijay hit it on the head - have we all been foolish by trying to put our collective expression of service provider best practices and network design into an archive of Powerpoint? To quote the Magic Eight Ball, "All indications point to yes" -- Daniel Golding Network and Telecommunications Strategies Burton Group
vijay gill <vgill@vijaygill.com> writes:
Powerpoints have a hard time matching the depth of a refereed journal submission, because with the powerpoint, soundbites tend to take precedence over content.
Attention to sidebar on page 192 of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board report entitled "Engineering by Viewgraphs": http://www.nasa.gov/columbia/caib/PDFS/VOL1/PART02.PDF ---Rob
It is my firm believe that if a Powerpoint presentation was to say "The Ocean is made of Yogurt", it would be believe by management. I believe next time I give a presenation I will put that line in. - Robert On 24 Mar 2004, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
vijay gill <vgill@vijaygill.com> writes:
Powerpoints have a hard time matching the depth of a refereed journal submission, because with the powerpoint, soundbites tend to take precedence over content.
Attention to sidebar on page 192 of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board report entitled "Engineering by Viewgraphs":
http://www.nasa.gov/columbia/caib/PDFS/VOL1/PART02.PDF
---Rob
At 11:33 AM 3/24/04, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
vijay gill <vgill@vijaygill.com> writes:
Powerpoints have a hard time matching the depth of a refereed journal submission, because with the powerpoint, soundbites tend to take precedence over content.
Attention to sidebar on page 192 of the Columbia Accident Investigation Board report entitled "Engineering by Viewgraphs":
http://www.nasa.gov/columbia/caib/PDFS/VOL1/PART02.PDF
---Rob
Wow. The Columbia disaster caused (in part) by PowerPoint!? :-] Worth checking out. It's on page 191, isn't it? I took a class in information presentation by the fellow quoted, Dr. Edward Tufte. It was excellent. Regarding the original question about journals, I have found the Internet Protocol Journal to be helpful. Yes, it is published by Cisco, but it has an academic approach and the editorial board is all non-Cisco and includes luminaries such as Vint Cerf. A frequent contributor is Geoff Huston, whom I admire a lot. Don't confuse the Internet Protocol Journal with Packet magazine, also from Cisco. Packet is definitely marketing driven, whereas IPJ is more research-oriented. More on IPJ here: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/759/ I'd be interesting in hearing what you all think of IPJ. _______________________________ Priscilla Oppenheimer www.priscilla.com When your Daemon is in charge, do not try to think consciously. Drift, wait, and obey. -- Kipling.
I'm leaving off "news" publications like Light Reading and Network World. Any thoughts? Have NANOG powerpoint presentations made these sorts of journals obsolete? :)
Don't forget SysAdmin, altho it's waning as its page size has continuously decreased. http://www.samag.com/ Rob Nelson ronelson@vt.edu
In message <BC8601E4.3686%dgolding@burtongroup.com>, Daniel Golding writes:
Slightly off-topic...
Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should they?
I think a refereed forum -- more likely a conference with proceedings, at least at first, than a journal -- is an excellent idea. But don't underestimate the amount of work it would take, on an ongoing basis. It also takes a long time to establish enough credibility that academics would publish in it. A better path might be to carve out a niche in an existing conference or journal. --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
In message <BC8601E4.3686%dgolding@burtongroup.com>, Daniel Golding writes:
Slightly off-topic...
Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should they?
I've approached a few likely parties; reaction thus far is favorable. I'll post a note here when I get explicit go-aheads. It's not free for the publishing venue -- they have to have access to enough competent reviewers. The converse, of course, is that the operational community will have to generate enough papers... --Steve Bellovin, http://www.research.att.com/~smb
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <BC8601E4.3686%dgolding@burtongroup.com>, Daniel Golding writes:
Slightly off-topic...
Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should they?
I've approached a few likely parties; reaction thus far is favorable. I'll post a note here when I get explicit go-aheads. It's not free for the publishing venue -- they have to have access to enough competent reviewers.
The converse, of course, is that the operational community will have to generate enough papers...
What ever happened to the blue, paper-back-book-sizes periodical, "Proceedings of the Bell Laboratories" or summatlikethat? (Hmmmm...I wonder which library _those_ are buried in.....) -- Requiescas in pace o email
What ever happened to the blue, paper-back-book-sizes periodical, "Proceedings of the Bell Laboratories" or summatlikethat?
(Hmmmm...I wonder which library _those_ are buried in.....)
well, a copy of "the bell technical journal" with the first paper describing unix is on my shelf. randy
At 10:29 PM +0100 3/26/04, Randy Bush wrote:
What ever happened to the blue, paper-back-book-sizes periodical, "Proceedings of the Bell Laboratories" or summatlikethat?
Bell System Technical Journal.
(Hmmmm...I wonder which library _those_ are buried in.....)
well, a copy of "the bell technical journal" with the first paper describing unix is on my shelf.
randy
AFAIK, it still is still published under the name "AT&T Technical Journal."
What ever happened to the blue, paper-back-book-sizes periodical, "Proceedings of the Bell Laboratories" or summatlikethat?
(Hmmmm...I wonder which library _those_ are buried in.....)
well, a copy of "the bell technical journal" with the first paper describing unix is on my shelf.
You perhaps mean the BSTJ from 1978 that contains updates to the article originally published in CACM in 1974? Then: Bell System Technical Journal Now: Bell Labs Technical Journal $110/year http://www.lucent.com/minds/techjournal/ ---rob
On Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:18:59 -0600 "Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr." <LarrySheldon@cox.net> wrote:
Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
In message <BC8601E4.3686%dgolding@burtongroup.com>, Daniel Golding writes:
Slightly off-topic...
Most technical fields have standard journals that they use to publish interesting findings and new ways of doing things. Everything from Nature to the JAMA. Here's the question for the group: Do these sorts of publications exist in the networking/carrier/internetworking space, and if not, should they?
I've approached a few likely parties; reaction thus far is favorable. I'll post a note here when I get explicit go-aheads. It's not free for the publishing venue -- they have to have access to enough competent reviewers.
Neither money nor reviewers are really needed. The XArchiv system http://arxiv.org/ works really well in physics and astronomy and has a sparsely used networking component http://arxiv.org/list/cs.NI/recent It works well if heavily used because it is open to any submission (including corrections of previous submissionns) and because many papers are eventually published in print journals. Regards Marshall Eubanks
The converse, of course, is that the operational community will have to generate enough papers...
What ever happened to the blue, paper-back-book-sizes periodical, "Proceedings of the Bell Laboratories" or summatlikethat?
(Hmmmm...I wonder which library _those_ are buried in.....)
-- Requiescas in pace o email
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