*ponders* Is it possible that our technical solutions are at least contributorially responsible for the economic slowdown? (Small businesses can't get connected, so large numbers of high-money dotcoms get massive amounts of funding, but few of them can make any money, so their debts skyrocket, and the massive power shifts happen?) Don't mind me, I'm just pondering. -Mat -----Original Message----- From: Roeland Meyer [mailto:rmeyer@mhsc.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 12:53 PM To: 'Patrick Greenwell'; Steven M. Bellovin Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Broken Internet?
From: Patrick Greenwell [mailto:patrick@cybernothing.org] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 11:29 AM
to change the fact that these alternative root server networks exist and that the Internet still works, mostly(as I'm sure you'd agree it's always a little broken.)
That is an understatement (a little broken). I have just been introduced to one of those broken areas, the hard way. Given: 1. Prefix filtering at /20. 2. Most small busineses limited to /24, by policy/procedure. 3. Multi-homing requirements for multi-office businesses (many SOHO's). 4. Impending business failure of many DSL ISPs. 5. Total lack of responsibile behavior among DSL access providers. It is next to impossible for a small business to have reliable internet connectivity without moving into a large co-lo. Even if they can afford the multiple T1's, they can't get portable IP addresses that will be advertised reliably. Many of them need, at most, a pair of /24's and ARIN, knowing this, will not issue them portable blocks larger than /24 without severe justification requirements. Many of you might think that is okay, but what if their upstream dies off (as recently happened to MHSC). In the current day and age, business stops until they get reconnected. This disconnect is at minimum, 4-6 weeks, under the best of circumstances. As one vendor recently pointed out in their adverts, most businesses, down for more than 14 days, will never survive. More importantly, such an outage flat-lines the revenue picture for that entire fiscal quarter, for the unlucky victim. What we have today is a manufactured dependence on a single upstream provider and no way to multi-home. Even co-lo boils down to single-home dependency. Yes, there are a bunch of hacks to work around this problem. But, that is exactly what they are ... hacks. They are not something I could build a sustainable business around. Any business needs: 1. to be able to change upstream providers without having to renumber. 2. to be able to change access providers without having to suffer multi-month down-times. 3. to be able to have its net-block(s) visible regardless of which ISPs they are currently using. Currently the only ones that can do that are those that; 1. Are large enough to justify a /20 (begging the question of how they got that large). 2. Can afford their own datacenter. It looks like our technical solutions are raising unreasonable barriers to entry for small businesses.
Any business needs: 1. to be able to change upstream providers without having to renumber.
Why not just keep it easy to renumber. It's only hard to renumber if you make it that way.
2. to be able to change access providers without having to suffer multi-month down-times.
If your company relies on your access, you need more than one provider. You can easily dual number every server you have. That way, if you lose one provider, change DNS a bit and use just the other. You can then renumber the other side of the dual numbering at your leisure with a new ISP.
3. to be able to have its net-block(s) visible regardless of which ISPs they are currently using.
Design to renumber. If you need reliability, get two of everything. It's really almost that simple. DS
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