Re: Another hijacked range???
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/5654
Why didnt the County file charges? hijacking... thats terrorism right? :-)
This is not the same "hijacking" and you know it! But they can file charges for identity fraud and theft of resources. For FBI to investigate they want $5000 of losses from the victim (or victims). Also when IP block is sold, this is profiting from illegally obtained goods (well not "goods" but they can classify it as such). This is fraud of different type (as somebody else pointed legally this would be "Pecunary fraud through misrepresentation of ownership") and they can also prosecute those who got the money but again highier amounts then $500 are needed for them to get really into this. Multiple confirmed cases of buying ip blocks from the same person/groupwould help there. (Note: I incidently posted reply to this email on another mail list, apologies to those who have see this twice) --- William Leibzon Elan Communications Inc. william@elan.net
and woah, what is this? :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3029809556&category=11175 -hc -- Sincerely, Haesu C. TowardEX Technologies, Inc WWW: http://www.towardex.com E-mail: haesu@towardex.com Cell: (978) 394-2867 On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 03:15:30PM -0700, william@elan.net wrote:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/5654
Why didnt the County file charges? hijacking... thats terrorism right? :-)
This is not the same "hijacking" and you know it!
But they can file charges for identity fraud and theft of resources. For FBI to investigate they want $5000 of losses from the victim (or victims).
Also when IP block is sold, this is profiting from illegally obtained goods (well not "goods" but they can classify it as such). This is fraud of different type (as somebody else pointed legally this would be "Pecunary fraud through misrepresentation of ownership") and they can also prosecute those who got the money but again highier amounts then $500 are needed for them to get really into this. Multiple confirmed cases of buying ip blocks from the same person/groupwould help there.
(Note: I incidently posted reply to this email on another mail list, apologies to those who have see this twice)
--- William Leibzon Elan Communications Inc. william@elan.net
On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Haesu wrote:
and woah, what is this? :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3029809556&category=11175
-hc
Ah, that is just Max Sutter trying to get rid of his recently purchased 160.122.0.0/16 (or possibly some other similarly obtained) ip block (and yes, I'v already reported it to ebay) Join the hijacked@numbering.com email list - we're just talking about him. BTW, If C&W here and listing, please stop routing that 160.122.0.0/16 ip block - it belongs to tredcor.co.za (see whois on them to verify) also known as Trentyre.co.za (all reported to them on June 1st, but haven't heard from them about it yet, so not 100% sure if they got the message and are doing something). If you need more evidence, send me private email and I'll let you know where to find a file about it. And C&W - you might also want to consider taking back 208.160.112.0/20, this is also going to the company controlled by Max Sutter and is used by him to host dns and for various websites - do whois on thunderclass.com ("whois -h completewhois.com thunderclass.com") then do whois on ns.mediasourced.net - 208.160.112.2 which is actually "m2.happiness-counseling.com (208.169.112.2)". Then do whois on "happiness-counselling.com" and you'll get an idea. Again if you need more info, just ask me or look up various various files at http://openrbl.org/ip/208/169/112/13.htm -- William Leibzon Elan Communications Inc. william@elan.net
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