Re: RBL quandry - opinions hereby solicited
At 11:20 AM 11/17/1998 -0600, Phil Howard wrote:
Dean Anderson wrote:
their customers. Not potential future customers. Existing customers. They didn't buy this list from somewhere. They asked for, and required customers to give this information, and to give them permission to send email.
That's not asking for it. That's demanding it. No e-mail ... no domain. Until NSI does not have an actual monopoly on TLDs, then it is a form of legalized extortion. You can prove to me otherwise by registering a domain in a gTLD either w/o giving any addresses.
I guess you can register your domains under .US from now on... I hear they have a better policy. By your logic, all business is legalized extortion: "Cisco is the only vendor that has this product I need. But they won't give it to me unless I pay..." I suppose the operative word is LEGALIZED. I've criticized NSI when they deserve criticism. This time, they aren't being unreasonable. Once again, the anti-spammers are going on an extreme, trying to tell NSI that it can't contact its domain registrants to sell them additional domain related services. NSI isn't trying to sell pizza or computers, or toner. They are trying to sell services that are probably of interest to domain registrants, who registered domains with NSI. I don't see what's wrong with that. I've got to wonder if _some_ of the people complaining here are just worried about NSI competing against their own domain/nameservice/bind consulting services. Or perhaps have some other ax to grind. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
And what would you consider it for domains in .COM that predated NSI, and whose "business relationship" with NSI was formed under duress (do business with us or your domain gets it...) ? On Tue, Nov 17, 1998 at 02:04:43PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
At 11:20 AM 11/17/1998 -0600, Phil Howard wrote:
Dean Anderson wrote:
their customers. Not potential future customers. Existing customers. They didn't buy this list from somewhere. They asked for, and required customers to give this information, and to give them permission to send email.
That's not asking for it. That's demanding it. No e-mail ... no domain. Until NSI does not have an actual monopoly on TLDs, then it is a form of legalized extortion. You can prove to me otherwise by registering a domain in a gTLD either w/o giving any addresses.
I guess you can register your domains under .US from now on... I hear they have a better policy.
By your logic, all business is legalized extortion: "Cisco is the only vendor that has this product I need. But they won't give it to me unless I pay..." I suppose the operative word is LEGALIZED.
I've criticized NSI when they deserve criticism. This time, they aren't being unreasonable. Once again, the anti-spammers are going on an extreme, trying to tell NSI that it can't contact its domain registrants to sell them additional domain related services.
NSI isn't trying to sell pizza or computers, or toner. They are trying to sell services that are probably of interest to domain registrants, who registered domains with NSI. I don't see what's wrong with that.
I've got to wonder if _some_ of the people complaining here are just worried about NSI competing against their own domain/nameservice/bind consulting services. Or perhaps have some other ax to grind.
--Dean
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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