att or sonic "residential" fiber service at a "nontraditional" residence.
att 1Gb/sec symmetric fiber is about $70/month. their “business class” service costs >10x that price. if i don’t want an SLA, does anything keep a non-profit organization from ordering (from att or sonic) residential service at what normally would be considered a business location? sonic seems to overlay on the att fiber network (in parts of the sf bay area)? (say, for example, you have a caretaker who lives on premises and you terminate the fiber in or near the caretaker’s apartment…) (would this violate some tariff? could they refuse to install?) (for me this harkens back to much earlier days where i would order dry copper loops intended for alarm purposes and run data or conditioned audio over them…)
On 11/1/20 8:20 PM, Mark Seiden wrote:
(would this violate some tariff? could they refuse to install?)
AT&T's fiber service is not a tariffed service anywhere that I know of. They absolutely could refuse to install it at what they deem a "business" location and likely would. I know Comcast will only install "Business Class" service at what they deem "business" locations. I assume this is, in both cases, due to the substantially higher margin on "business" services. As to what Sonic would do, I have no idea. Their market model is quite a bit different. I also can't imagine they're actually overlaying AT&T's fiber-to-the-prem network as, to my knowledge, AT&T does not allow 3rd party access to it in any market. -- Brandon Martin
I’d say ‘it depends’ on the sales organization being willing to sell it. The non-profit also has to realize that they get the same service restoration speeds and customer support that a residential customer gets. On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 8:24 PM Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com> wrote:
att 1Gb/sec symmetric fiber is about $70/month.
their “business class” service costs >10x that price.
if i don’t want an SLA, does anything keep a non-profit organization from ordering (from att or sonic) residential service at what normally would be considered a business location? sonic seems to overlay on the att fiber network (in parts of the sf bay area)?
(say, for example, you have a caretaker who lives on premises and you terminate the fiber in or near the caretaker’s apartment…)
(would this violate some tariff? could they refuse to install?)
(for me this harkens back to much earlier days where i would order dry copper loops intended for alarm purposes and run data or conditioned audio over them…)
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 5:22 PM Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com> wrote:
if i don’t want an SLA, does anything keep a non-profit organization from ordering (from att or sonic) residential service at what normally would be considered a business location?
Hi Mark, Generally speaking, the residential and business services are constructed differently. The residential service will be PON while the business service will be a classic fiber pair. Passive optical networking (PON) is a single-fiber that splits a number of times between you and the company's equipment. The classic fiber pair is two strands of fiber direct between you and the company's equipment. Since they won't have built the PON-based service to the business location, they won't sell it to you there. And nothing you can do will force them to re-purpose the fiber they did build to the business location. Regards, Bill Herrin -- Hire me! https://bill.herrin.us/resume/
In article <098F44B7-3779-4AAD-BFBE-CCAEC8C3C751@seiden.com>, Mark Seiden <mis@seiden.com> wrote:
You can cheat, but if you are a nonprofit doesn't that kinda go against mission?
well, depends what you think the mission of an arts organization or a library is in these troubled times.
that’s why i asked if this is cheating at any level other than that asserted by some vendor’s sales people. (i wtouldn’t want to violate a tariffed offering if only because they would have a legitimate reason to terminate service and some regulator or puc decided on the equities of the pricing.)
You might want to check and see what the rules are. Here in NY, churches and I think some other non-profits get residential rates for phone service. -- Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly
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