BANDWIDTH and VONAGE lose FCC rules exemption for STIR/SHAKEN
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-... The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though. Mike
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
We have seen an uptick in requests for routes to Canada and the UK from Proton email accounts... We ask for business documents and never hear back.
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Michael Thomas wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation. So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
my phone spam is off the scale, and increased sharply just before stir/shaken went into effect. are spammers desperately trying to get their last bites in before their providers start getting shut down? -Dan
On Fri, 18 Feb 2022, Michael Thomas wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Reading the actual FCC order, Bandwidth HAS implemented STIR/SHAKEN everywhere EXCEPT on some legacy hardware that does not support adding the headers. While Bandwidth should have either replaced the hardware or updated the software to support it by now, they did not, and they got slapped for it. It may be that the customers connected to that hardware are being difficult, or that, as a CLEC, they have a crap-ton of older hardware in different physical switch locations that they couldn't or just didn't get to upgrading or replacing. I asked Bandwidth for details, nothing yet. Beckman --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Beckman Internet Guy beckman@angryox.com https://www.angryox.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mine exploded since the requirement date. Some mornings I get a dozen before lunch. On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
On 2/20/22 9:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Mine exploded since the requirement date. Some mornings I get a dozen before lunch.
So our anecdotes don't agree :) I know, maybe we should find out somebody who's doing research on this? Does anybody know how this is being tracked for real? Mike
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote: > > https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
> > > The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that > voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to > implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. > Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a > partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet > STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the > FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
There is a company First Orion that does some surveys and reports on such things: https://firstorion.com/2021-scam-call-trends/ *Brandon Svec* On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 1:58 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/20/22 9:56 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Mine exploded since the requirement date. Some mornings I get a dozen before lunch.
So our anecdotes don't agree :) I know, maybe we should find out somebody who's doing research on this?
Does anybody know how this is being tracked for real?
Mike
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
I've seen an uptick, but nothing too dramatic. Maybe 4-5 junk calls a day - mostly afternoon. -- Tom On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 9:57 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Mine exploded since the requirement date. Some mornings I get a dozen before lunch.
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
What made my otherwise-largely-quiescent phone go berserk was joining AARP. Went from weeks between random telemarketing call to now getting sometimes more than 100 calls before lunchtime. Today, I couldn't hang up on one person offering me Medicare benefits fast enough before another was already beeping on call waiting. :/ Moral of the story? If you retire and join AARP, put your most hated enemy's phone number down instead of yours. :( Matt On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:28 PM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelastic.com> wrote:
I've seen an uptick, but nothing too dramatic. Maybe 4-5 junk calls a day - mostly afternoon.
-- Tom
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 9:57 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Mine exploded since the requirement date. Some mornings I get a dozen before lunch.
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure that voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
Can confirm this. ( Except it was my dad who joined AARP, and we share the same name. Apparently most telemarketer databases don't quite deal with suffixes in names that well!) On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:41 PM Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com> wrote:
What made my otherwise-largely-quiescent phone go berserk was joining AARP.
Went from weeks between random telemarketing call to now getting sometimes more than 100 calls before lunchtime. Today, I couldn't hang up on one person offering me Medicare benefits fast enough before another was already beeping on call waiting. :/
Moral of the story?
If you retire and join AARP, put your most hated enemy's phone number down instead of yours. :(
Matt
On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 7:28 PM Tom Mitchell <tmitchell@netelastic.com> wrote:
I've seen an uptick, but nothing too dramatic. Maybe 4-5 junk calls a day - mostly afternoon.
-- Tom
On Sun, Feb 20, 2022 at 9:57 AM Josh Luthman <josh@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
Mine exploded since the requirement date. Some mornings I get a dozen before lunch.
On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:
On 2/17/22 11:58 AM, Sean Donelan wrote:
https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-finds-two-providers-failed-fully-implement-...
The Federal Communications Commission today took action to ensure
that
voice service providers meet their commitments and obligations to implement STIR/SHAKEN standards to combat spoofed robocall scams. Specifically, voice service providers Bandwidth and Vonage lost a partial exemption from STIR/SHAKEN because they failed to meet STIR/SHAKEN implementation commitments and have been referred to the FCC’s Enforcement Bureau for further investigation.
So for probably a year or so before the Stir/Shaken mandate came, I have been seeing a lot less phone spam. I don't know if that's typical but it was quite noticeable for me. What that tells me is that providers likely started clamping down on their shady customers well ahead of the mandate which says that regulatory fiat would have been sufficient too. But that hinges on whether my situation is typical though.
Mike
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