Re: ** Forged spamming going on
At 11:08 AM 12/23/1998 -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
I have argued in the past that the RBL will not acheive its desired goals. And I don't think it will, or has. But I don't deny it certainly does have effective power to coerce and influence the industry. It can clearly move big players like earthlink and others.
If it is an effective power to move big players, it would seem that it has been at least moderately successful in acheiving its' desired goals.
Except that the goal was to stop spam, not just make people jump through hoops. I haven't seen any change in spam volume. So I think it has been ineffective at achieving its goals. A gun has effective power too. Except that it should be used by Police Officers to stop crime, and not by random vigilantes to shoot whomever they please and ask questions later. And like any powerful tool, there should be some responsibility for its use and misuse. Paul has none. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
At 11:08 AM 12/23/1998 -0800, Patrick Greenwell wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
I have argued in the past that the RBL will not acheive its desired goals. And I don't think it will, or has. But I don't deny it certainly does have effective power to coerce and influence the industry. It can clearly move big players like earthlink and others.
If it is an effective power to move big players, it would seem that it has been at least moderately successful in acheiving its' desired goals.
Except that the goal was to stop spam, not just make people jump through hoops.
I haven't seen any change in spam volume. So I think it has been ineffective at achieving its goals.
So what you are saying is that with marked increase in people getting on the Internet since the time that the RBL was created, that you haven't seen an increase in spam volume? I think most reasonable would consider that at least a marginal success in containment.
A gun has effective power too. Except that it should be used by Police Officers to stop crime, and not by random vigilantes to shoot whomever they please and ask questions later.
It is heartening to see someone with such a high regard for the governments abilities in this area. Here I was labouring under the misconception that the government has been largely ignorant in these matters and ineffective in addressing them. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
And like any powerful tool, there should be some responsibility for its use and misuse. Paul has none.
A lot of reasonable people would disagree with you. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Patrick Greenwell (800) 299-1288 v CTO (925) 377-1212 v NameSecure (925) 377-1414 f Coming to the ISPF-II? The Forum for ISPs by ISPs http://www.ispf.com \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
Wow must've fat-fingered the procmail entry... On Wed, 23 Dec 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
I haven't seen any change in spam volume. So I think it has been ineffective at achieving its goals.
Hey yo-yo - why don't you subscribe to the RBL - and see if SPAM volumes polluting your and your customers' mailboxen increases or decreases - how can you say what the RBL does or does not do - YOU DON'T USE IT SKIPPY. -- I am nothing if not net-Q! - ras@poppa.clubrich.tiac.net
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