AS6713 (aka IAM / MOROCCO TELECOMS) peering contact
Hello, If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ? Best regards. -- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so? Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
What if they don't identify as a he or a she? On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote:
What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'. Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
Singular They! :D
On Dec 27, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
!DSPAM:549f0a5f299111688636950!
How about Queens English ... Oyi ! Or the American Spoken English ... Yo ! or Spanglish... Oyime ? Give it up.... ! next we will be discussing how to write emails in dots and dashes ! :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: Support@Snappytelecom.net ----- Original Message -----
From: "Meagan" <darqchild@darqchild.com> To: "Clayton Zekelman" <clayton@mnsi.net> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 4:07:46 PM Subject: Re: AS6713 (aka IAM / MOROCCO TELECOMS) peering contact
Singular They! :D
On Dec 27, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
!DSPAM:549f0a5f299111688636950!
On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 01:50:57 +0000, Faisal Imtiaz said:
Give it up.... ! next we will be discussing how to write emails in dots and dashes !
Somebody would *still* find a way to misinterpret it. When I ran a Scouting event for the district a few years ago, I had each competition station give the teams coded clues where the next station was. At one station, the clue was a length of surveyor's twine with knots in it. They had to figure out that overhand knots were dots, and figure eights were dashes, and then decode it with the morse code chart they had acquired along the way. As $DEITY is my witness, I never considered the possibility they'd start at the wrong end of the string....
May I share some clue? The OP is probably not a native speaker of English. You don't play PC language games with people who you aren't *certain* are native speakers of English. Why? Because if you do I will show up at your door! I dunno, just don't do it, it's rude and stupid, imagine if you were trying to post in your college Arabic or French or whatever and got hit with subtleties like this instead of a simple answer. -b On December 27, 2014 at 14:35 clayton@mnsi.net (Clayton Zekelman) wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
Hello, Let me (the OP) put an end to this : - I'm certainly not a native english speaker, but my english level is good enough to make myself clear / understandable. @Barry : No offense taken ;-) - Maybe this he/she false debate all started with an "honnest/innocent" mistake. I do not care about / pay attention / give importance about the gender of my fellow estimed networking pairs. @Clayton : Really, all I've asked for when I sent the initial email was a peering contact. Nothing more, nothing less. PERIOD ;-) Now that AS6713 has been publitized (more than they haven't asked for), maybe someone overthere will finally ping back ! After all, it's Xmas, you never know what santa can bring along with him. Wish you all a happy holiday season. Best regards.
Le 27 déc. 2014 à 22:20, Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> a écrit :
May I share some clue?
The OP is probably not a native speaker of English.
You don't play PC language games with people who you aren't *certain* are native speakers of English.
Why? Because if you do I will show up at your door!
I dunno, just don't do it, it's rude and stupid, imagine if you were trying to post in your college Arabic or French or whatever and got hit with subtleties like this instead of a simple answer.
-b
On December 27, 2014 at 14:35 clayton@mnsi.net (Clayton Zekelman) wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
Can I share a clue with you? This is a North American English language list. Threatening to show up at someone's door is a pretty douchebag way to make a point. What next? A rumble in the school parking lot at 3:45? The person who taught me about BGP in 1995 worked for a large international carrier at the time, and told me the story of how network technicians in the Middle East would refuse to talk to HER because she couldn't possibly know what SHE was talking about. That story of sexism has stuck with me since then. If it was a language mistake, then I educated the OP on the reason to use the right pronoun. If it was sexism, then I called him out on his bullshit. Either way Barry, if you want to come to my door, be my guest, but it will be at that moment you realize what a huge mistake you made. Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:
May I share some clue?
The OP is probably not a native speaker of English.
You don't play PC language games with people who you aren't *certain* are native speakers of English.
Why? Because if you do I will show up at your door!
I dunno, just don't do it, it's rude and stupid, imagine if you were trying to post in your college Arabic or French or whatever and got hit with subtleties like this instead of a simple answer.
-b
On December 27, 2014 at 14:35 clayton@mnsi.net (Clayton Zekelman) wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
Isn't it better actually to use they? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they -- Grzegorz Janoszka On 2014-12-27 20:35, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
Just drop it guys...please? :) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 27, 2014 4:52 PM, "Grzegorz Janoszka" <Grzegorz@janoszka.pl> wrote:
Isn't it better actually to use they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
-- Grzegorz Janoszka
On 2014-12-27 20:35, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us>
wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net>
wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr>
wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Grzegorz Janoszka <Grzegorz@janoszka.pl> wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-specific_and_gender-neutral_pronouns#Ge... To whom it may concern, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> May I solve your unusual networking challenges?
That would work too! Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Grzegorz Janoszka <Grzegorz@Janoszka.pl> wrote:
Isn't it better actually to use they?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
-- Grzegorz Janoszka
On 2014-12-27 20:35, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
That is why the better pronoun choice would have been 'you', not 'he' or 'she'.
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 27, 2014, at 1:47 PM, Javier J <javier@advancedmachines.us> wrote:
What if they don't identify as a he or a she?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote: What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote:
What if the peering team member is a she?
Then it's probably a good thing that the English language has no gender-neutral third person singular pronoun appropriate for referencing a human being. Conventionally, the otherwise male pronoun "he" is used to refer to any individual whose gender is not known to the speaker. It offers no insult unless the recipient is looking for an excuse. The "what if he's a she" crack was stale when I was still in diapers and the pedantic follow on discussion about what the gender neutral pronoun should be is just as tedious. Regards, Bill Herrin -- William Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> May I solve your unusual networking challenges?
Poor form Clayton. This type of response is not helpful or constructive. Kenny Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Clayton Zekelman <clayton@mnsi.net> wrote:
What if the peering team member is a she? Should she not contact you if so?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 26, 2014, at 5:48 PM, Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr <youssef@720.fr> wrote:
Hello,
If someone from IAM peering team is watching, could he please get in touch OFF-list please ?
Best regards.
-- Youssef BENGELLOUN-ZAHR
participants (11)
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Barry Shein -
Clayton Zekelman -
Faisal Imtiaz -
Grzegorz Janoszka -
Javier J -
Josh Luthman -
Kenny Kant -
Meagan -
Valdis.Kletnieks＠vt.edu -
William Herrin -
Youssef Bengelloun-Zahr