Re: Transaction Based Settlements Encourage Waste (was Re: BBN/GTEI)
[In the message entitled "Transaction Based Settlements Encourage Waste (was Re: BBN/GTEI)" on Aug 22, 1:06, Mike Leber writes:]
Oh, and before anybody comes up with a simplistic (and flawed) rebuttal such as banning the large web crawlers from settlements, there are plenty of other legitimate automated methods of getting flows in either direction.
All I can say is that if settlements are based on who is receiving the traffic, there will be huge increase in the amount of money that networks pay to attract everyone's favortive smurf target, the IRC servers. A 2-day-long 100 Mbps smurf will be _encouraged_ :-) -- Dave Rand dlr@bungi.com http://www.bungi.com
On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Dave Rand wrote:
All I can say is that if settlements are based on who is receiving the traffic, there will be huge increase in the amount of money that networks pay to attract everyone's favortive smurf target, the IRC servers. A 2-day-long 100 Mbps smurf will be _encouraged_ :-)
The peer whose network the SMURF originates in will trace that back to the source so fast you'll smell the rubber burning. DoS based on large numbers of packets will be a thing of the past. -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael@memra.com Check the website for my Internet World articles - http://www.memra.com
On Sat, Aug 22, 1998 at 07:55:22AM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Sat, 22 Aug 1998, Dave Rand wrote:
All I can say is that if settlements are based on who is receiving the traffic, there will be huge increase in the amount of money that networks pay to attract everyone's favortive smurf target, the IRC servers. A 2-day-long 100 Mbps smurf will be _encouraged_ :-)
The peer whose network the SMURF originates in will trace that back to the source so fast you'll smell the rubber burning. DoS based on large numbers of packets will be a thing of the past.
-- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael@memra.com
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