--- surfer@mauigateway.com wrote: From: "Scott Weeks" <surfer@mauigateway.com> No, it's just that (at least in my case at several different companies) we're so focused by management on getting the sale done by augmenting the existing network there is not enough time to devote to **planning an entire network from the ground up**, then working your plan. The other way (just start configuring stuff) is replete with troubles. BTW, I have been the IPv6 loudmouth every time, but I don't get any traction at all in any of the companies I've worked for. Eyes gloss over and someone quickly changes the conversation. Then we talk about sizing subnets and stuff... --------------------------------------------- BTW, what Mark Andrews said about 6rd fixes (I'm assuming a relatively low level of network architecturing work is necessary to get it done) what I am saying, but it feels so dirty. I would like to go straight to dual stack. scott