I have seen this firsthand -- the botnet DoS attacks have begun, and with a furor. I saw an extraordinarily large network brough to it's knees today by an IRCbot.es Dos. I felt like Nero -- fiddling while Rome burned. Cisco - ZOTOB and WORM_RBOT.CBQ Mitigation Recommendations http://www.uniras.gov.uk/niscc/docs/br-20050819-00710.html?lang=en Be afraid. -- ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet fergdawg@netzero.net or fergdawg@sbcglobal.net ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/