ARIN-NONAUTH IRR final retirement set for 31 March 2022 (was: ARIN-NONAUTH data ARIN-NONAUTH dataFwd: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2021.1: Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR is now Closed)
NANOGers - FYI - Outcome of the community consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR. /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN <info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2021.1: Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR is now Closed Date: 15 March 2021 at 4:27:04 PM EDT To: <arin-consult@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult@arin.net>> I would like to thank everyone who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on the future of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR. Input provided by the community is a vital part of our planning processes at ARIN, and after reviewing responses to the consultation, we are making a few significant adjustments in our path forward. One concern raised during the consultation was that six months was not enough time for organizations that currently depend on data in ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR to make changes to their systems. As a result, we will be extending the availability of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR for an additional six months with final retirement set for 31 March 2022. The second major suggestion was that ARIN conduct proactive engagement to notifying customers who currently use our unauthenticated IRR. We have already initiated this outreach, and for the next twelve months, we will continue this direct outreach to customers who have records in ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR to inform them of their options and provide necessary assistance. We will also provide regular reminders and updates to our community and organizations making use of the outdated and non-authenticated IRR data stream so they can be ready for when we cease publishing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream. These reminders leading up to the retirement of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR will include statistics on the number of records remaining in that system and related routing coverage. Thank you again to those who provided valuable feedback on this consultation. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net<mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net>). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net> if you experience any issues.
Dear John, Thank you for extending the deadline with another 6 months. Obviously 6 months amidst a global pandamic would never be enough time. :-) Both John Sweeting [1] and myself [2] assert there are tens of thousands of objects for which the relationship between the object's existence and the state of related routes in the BGP default-free zone routing are not fully understood. It appears ARIN has choosen to ignore a specific community suggestion: please first prove ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects, before proceeding to deprecate the entire ARIN-NONAUTH database. I'm not convinced mere 'community outreach' is an appropriate and substantive response to the anteriority of 'Legacy Holders' who might depend on both ARIN's reverse DNS service and ARIN's (Non Authoritative) IRR service. I personally would like to see ARIN postpone any decision on whether to sunset the ARIN-NONAUTH database in favor of first applying community-recognised object clean-up mechanisms, and then based on the 'lessons learned' from such a cleanup process, inform future go/no-go decisions. Can you share with me what the process would be to appeal the decision made here and how course can changed? Kind regards, Job [1]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001241.html [2]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001237.html On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:03:56AM +0000, John Curran wrote:
NANOGers - FYI - Outcome of the community consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR. /John
John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers
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From: ARIN <info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2021.1: Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR is now Closed Date: 15 March 2021 at 4:27:04 PM EDT To: <arin-consult@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult@arin.net>>
I would like to thank everyone who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on the future of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR. Input provided by the community is a vital part of our planning processes at ARIN, and after reviewing responses to the consultation, we are making a few significant adjustments in our path forward.
One concern raised during the consultation was that six months was not enough time for organizations that currently depend on data in ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR to make changes to their systems. As a result, we will be extending the availability of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR for an additional six months with final retirement set for 31 March 2022.
The second major suggestion was that ARIN conduct proactive engagement to notifying customers who currently use our unauthenticated IRR. We have already initiated this outreach, and for the next twelve months, we will continue this direct outreach to customers who have records in ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR to inform them of their options and provide necessary assistance.
We will also provide regular reminders and updates to our community and organizations making use of the outdated and non-authenticated IRR data stream so they can be ready for when we cease publishing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream. These reminders leading up to the retirement of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR will include statistics on the number of records remaining in that system and related routing coverage.
Thank you again to those who provided valuable feedback on this consultation.
Regards,
John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net<mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net>). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net> if you experience any issues.
Job - You suggest "ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects” but alas, responsibility for proper routing entry hygiene lies with the individual parties that have placed information in the routing registry. Decisions on ARIN services are ultimately under the authority of the ARIN Board of Trustees, who are the elected representatives of the ARIN membership. More information on the ARIN Board of Trustees may be found here - https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/board/ Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 16 Mar 2021, at 8:04 AM, Job Snijders <job@fastly.com<mailto:job@fastly.com>> wrote: Dear John, Thank you for extending the deadline with another 6 months. Obviously 6 months amidst a global pandamic would never be enough time. :-) Both John Sweeting [1] and myself [2] assert there are tens of thousands of objects for which the relationship between the object's existence and the state of related routes in the BGP default-free zone routing are not fully understood. It appears ARIN has choosen to ignore a specific community suggestion: please first prove ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects, before proceeding to deprecate the entire ARIN-NONAUTH database. I'm not convinced mere 'community outreach' is an appropriate and substantive response to the anteriority of 'Legacy Holders' who might depend on both ARIN's reverse DNS service and ARIN's (Non Authoritative) IRR service. I personally would like to see ARIN postpone any decision on whether to sunset the ARIN-NONAUTH database in favor of first applying community-recognised object clean-up mechanisms, and then based on the 'lessons learned' from such a cleanup process, inform future go/no-go decisions. Can you share with me what the process would be to appeal the decision made here and how course can changed? Kind regards, Job [1]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001241.html [2]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001237.html On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:03:56AM +0000, John Curran wrote: NANOGers - FYI - Outcome of the community consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR. /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN <info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net><mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2021.1: Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR is now Closed Date: 15 March 2021 at 4:27:04 PM EDT To: <arin-consult@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult@arin.net><mailto:arin-consult@arin.net>> I would like to thank everyone who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on the future of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR. Input provided by the community is a vital part of our planning processes at ARIN, and after reviewing responses to the consultation, we are making a few significant adjustments in our path forward. One concern raised during the consultation was that six months was not enough time for organizations that currently depend on data in ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR to make changes to their systems. As a result, we will be extending the availability of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR for an additional six months with final retirement set for 31 March 2022. The second major suggestion was that ARIN conduct proactive engagement to notifying customers who currently use our unauthenticated IRR. We have already initiated this outreach, and for the next twelve months, we will continue this direct outreach to customers who have records in ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR to inform them of their options and provide necessary assistance. We will also provide regular reminders and updates to our community and organizations making use of the outdated and non-authenticated IRR data stream so they can be ready for when we cease publishing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream. These reminders leading up to the retirement of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR will include statistics on the number of records remaining in that system and related routing coverage. Thank you again to those who provided valuable feedback on this consultation. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net<mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net><mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net>). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net><mailto:info@arin.net> if you experience any issues.
Hi John, It seems that you are trying to abdicate responsibility, but at the end of the day those individual parties are placing information in "better" routing registries such as RPKI that you can leverage to clean up the "lesser" ARIN-NONAUTH routing registry. So those individuals are taking their responsibility, and I am wondering - when will ARIN start taking their cue? Best regards, Martijn On 3/16/21 1:14 PM, John Curran wrote: Job - You suggest "ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects” but alas, responsibility for proper routing entry hygiene lies with the individual parties that have placed information in the routing registry. Decisions on ARIN services are ultimately under the authority of the ARIN Board of Trustees, who are the elected representatives of the ARIN membership. More information on the ARIN Board of Trustees may be found here - https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/board/ Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 16 Mar 2021, at 8:04 AM, Job Snijders <job@fastly.com<mailto:job@fastly.com>> wrote: Dear John, Thank you for extending the deadline with another 6 months. Obviously 6 months amidst a global pandamic would never be enough time. :-) Both John Sweeting [1] and myself [2] assert there are tens of thousands of objects for which the relationship between the object's existence and the state of related routes in the BGP default-free zone routing are not fully understood. It appears ARIN has choosen to ignore a specific community suggestion: please first prove ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects, before proceeding to deprecate the entire ARIN-NONAUTH database. I'm not convinced mere 'community outreach' is an appropriate and substantive response to the anteriority of 'Legacy Holders' who might depend on both ARIN's reverse DNS service and ARIN's (Non Authoritative) IRR service. I personally would like to see ARIN postpone any decision on whether to sunset the ARIN-NONAUTH database in favor of first applying community-recognised object clean-up mechanisms, and then based on the 'lessons learned' from such a cleanup process, inform future go/no-go decisions. Can you share with me what the process would be to appeal the decision made here and how course can changed? Kind regards, Job [1]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001241.html [2]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001237.html On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:03:56AM +0000, John Curran wrote: NANOGers - FYI - Outcome of the community consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR. /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN <info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net><mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2021.1: Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR is now Closed Date: 15 March 2021 at 4:27:04 PM EDT To: <arin-consult@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult@arin.net><mailto:arin-consult@arin.net>> I would like to thank everyone who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on the future of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR. Input provided by the community is a vital part of our planning processes at ARIN, and after reviewing responses to the consultation, we are making a few significant adjustments in our path forward. One concern raised during the consultation was that six months was not enough time for organizations that currently depend on data in ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR to make changes to their systems. As a result, we will be extending the availability of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR for an additional six months with final retirement set for 31 March 2022. The second major suggestion was that ARIN conduct proactive engagement to notifying customers who currently use our unauthenticated IRR. We have already initiated this outreach, and for the next twelve months, we will continue this direct outreach to customers who have records in ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR to inform them of their options and provide necessary assistance. We will also provide regular reminders and updates to our community and organizations making use of the outdated and non-authenticated IRR data stream so they can be ready for when we cease publishing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream. These reminders leading up to the retirement of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR will include statistics on the number of records remaining in that system and related routing coverage. Thank you again to those who provided valuable feedback on this consultation. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net<mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net><mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net>). 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Martin - ARIN has already taken responsibility by making available authenticated IRR and PRKI services as sought by the community, and I concur that individual parties are also taking responsibility by placing their routing information in these and similar services. ARIN will encourage such migration, but the responsibility ultimately lies with those with the data in the unauthenticated IRR system. Thanks, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 16 Mar 2021, at 8:36 AM, Martijn Schmidt <martijnschmidt@i3d.net<mailto:martijnschmidt@i3d.net>> wrote: Hi John, It seems that you are trying to abdicate responsibility, but at the end of the day those individual parties are placing information in "better" routing registries such as RPKI that you can leverage to clean up the "lesser" ARIN-NONAUTH routing registry. So those individuals are taking their responsibility, and I am wondering - when will ARIN start taking their cue? Best regards, Martijn On 3/16/21 1:14 PM, John Curran wrote: Job - You suggest "ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects” but alas, responsibility for proper routing entry hygiene lies with the individual parties that have placed information in the routing registry. Decisions on ARIN services are ultimately under the authority of the ARIN Board of Trustees, who are the elected representatives of the ARIN membership. More information on the ARIN Board of Trustees may be found here - https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/board/ Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers On 16 Mar 2021, at 8:04 AM, Job Snijders <job@fastly.com<mailto:job@fastly.com>> wrote: Dear John, Thank you for extending the deadline with another 6 months. Obviously 6 months amidst a global pandamic would never be enough time. :-) Both John Sweeting [1] and myself [2] assert there are tens of thousands of objects for which the relationship between the object's existence and the state of related routes in the BGP default-free zone routing are not fully understood. It appears ARIN has choosen to ignore a specific community suggestion: please first prove ARIN can manage cleanup of a select few objects, before proceeding to deprecate the entire ARIN-NONAUTH database. I'm not convinced mere 'community outreach' is an appropriate and substantive response to the anteriority of 'Legacy Holders' who might depend on both ARIN's reverse DNS service and ARIN's (Non Authoritative) IRR service. I personally would like to see ARIN postpone any decision on whether to sunset the ARIN-NONAUTH database in favor of first applying community-recognised object clean-up mechanisms, and then based on the 'lessons learned' from such a cleanup process, inform future go/no-go decisions. Can you share with me what the process would be to appeal the decision made here and how course can changed? Kind regards, Job [1]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001241.html [2]: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-consult/2021-March/001237.html On Tue, Mar 16, 2021 at 11:03:56AM +0000, John Curran wrote: NANOGers - FYI - Outcome of the community consultation on the Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR. /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers Begin forwarded message: From: ARIN <info@arin.net<mailto:info@arin.net><mailto:info@arin.net>> Subject: [ARIN-consult] ACSP Consultation 2021.1: Future of ARIN’s Unauthenticated IRR is now Closed Date: 15 March 2021 at 4:27:04 PM EDT To: <arin-consult@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult@arin.net><mailto:arin-consult@arin.net>> I would like to thank everyone who provided valuable feedback during this consultation on the future of ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR. Input provided by the community is a vital part of our planning processes at ARIN, and after reviewing responses to the consultation, we are making a few significant adjustments in our path forward. One concern raised during the consultation was that six months was not enough time for organizations that currently depend on data in ARIN’s unauthenticated IRR to make changes to their systems. As a result, we will be extending the availability of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR for an additional six months with final retirement set for 31 March 2022. The second major suggestion was that ARIN conduct proactive engagement to notifying customers who currently use our unauthenticated IRR. We have already initiated this outreach, and for the next twelve months, we will continue this direct outreach to customers who have records in ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR to inform them of their options and provide necessary assistance. We will also provide regular reminders and updates to our community and organizations making use of the outdated and non-authenticated IRR data stream so they can be ready for when we cease publishing the ARIN-NONAUTH data stream. These reminders leading up to the retirement of ARIN’s non-authenticated IRR will include statistics on the number of records remaining in that system and related routing coverage. Thank you again to those who provided valuable feedback on this consultation. Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers _______________________________________________ ARIN-Consult You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Consult Mailing List (ARIN-consult@arin.net<mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net><mailto:ARIN-consult@arin.net>). 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