RE: a little thought on exchanging traffic
On Wednesday, May 20, 1998 6:18 AM, Sean Donelan[SMTP:SEAN@SDG.DRA.COM] wrote: @>Anyone thought about eliminating large physical exchange points and replacing @>them with a more distributed architecture? @ @Yes, lots of folks have given it lots of thought. @ @>Multiple data centers interconnected over ATM in a single metro area run by @>indepdenant entities who are free to provide any level of service or value @>add they wish. @ @The fundamental problem is there are no magic pixie dust in this business. @Sure, some people like to put out press releases saying how they've solved @all the worlds problems using the Magic Frambulator. But what they've usually @done is ignored half the problem. @ Or...they have designed systems that have the wrong goals... For example, some people design routers to "attract packets" like magnets. They design protocols for routers to tell other routers what packets to send them. Why on earth do people and companies want packets ? Processing packets costs time and money. Imagine a world where routers tell other routers what NOT to send them. Routers should be designed to "repel packets" and to quickly get rid of the ones they have. They should also be designed to send them as quickly as possible to the place they belong and not to some black-hole called a NAP so that people can puff out their chests about their NAP being bigger than the next NAP. With the introduction of next-generation Internet systems, we might have a chance to reverse some of the thinking that has produced the current bottle-necks. Organizations like NANOG can play a key role because ultimately the buck stops at your networks, routers, firewalls, servers, etc. The key to the future is to make sure packets do not also stop there or come there when you do not want them. ;-) - Jim Fleming Unir Corporation - http://www.unir.net/IPv8 IPv8 - Designed for the Rest of the Human Race AM Radio Stations ---> http://www.DOT.AM
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 07:19:50AM -0500, Jim Fleming wrote:
For example, some people design routers to "attract packets" like magnets. They design protocols for routers to tell other routers what packets to send them. Why on earth do people and companies want packets ? Processing packets costs time and money. Imagine a world where routers tell other routers what NOT to send them.
Routers should be designed to "repel packets" and to quickly get rid of the ones they have. They should also be designed to send them as quickly as possible to the place they belong and not to some black-hole called a NAP so that people can puff out their chests about their NAP being bigger than the next NAP.
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year? I should think he ought to be an emeritus member. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Unsolicited Commercial Emailers Sued The Suncoast Freenet "Two words: Darth Doogie." -- Jason Colby, Tampa Bay, Florida on alt.fan.heinlein +1 813 790 7592 Managing Editor, Top Of The Key sports e-zine ------------ http://www.totk.com
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year?
He's not a kook. He is an agent provocateur who is paid by the telco industry to disrupt Internet activities. The monopoly telcos want to be able to show that the Internet folks are not capable of running the network and that government regulation is necessary. They like a regulatory regime because they have several generations of experience in manipulating government bureaucracies to their own advantage and the Internet currently lacks this. Fleming is a very sharp-witted psych-ops who can appear perfectly rational when it suits his goals. When he acts like a kook he does so in order to spark outraged outbursts from his Internet guru audience but is careful that a non-technical observer would se no cause for such an outburst in Jim's statements. His goal is to methodically discredit everyone who has any significant role in the design, management and operation of the Internet and he is paid handsomely enough by the monopoly telco industry that he can afford to buy a yacht and spend many months of the year living in a foreign tax haven in the British Virgin Islands. -- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael@memra.com http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website*
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 10:29:38AM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year?
He's not a kook. He is an agent provocateur who is paid by the telco industry to disrupt Internet activities. The monopoly telcos want to be able to show that the Internet folks are not capable of running the network and that government regulation is necessary. They like a regulatory regime because they have several generations of experience in manipulating government bureaucracies to their own advantage and the Internet currently lacks this.
Fleming is a very sharp-witted psych-ops who can appear perfectly rational when it suits his goals. When he acts like a kook he does so in order to spark outraged outbursts from his Internet guru audience but is careful that a non-technical observer would se no cause for such an outburst in Jim's statements. His goal is to methodically discredit everyone who has any significant role in the design, management and operation of the Internet and he is paid handsomely enough by the monopoly telco industry that he can afford to buy a yacht and spend many months of the year living in a foreign tax haven in the British Virgin Islands.
-- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael@memra.com http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website*
I'm assuming you can PROVE this, right Michael? (My God, I hope so) -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 12:36:31PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 10:29:38AM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year?
[ Conspiracy Theory about Jim Flemings Motivations Deleted ]
I'm assuming you can PROVE this, right Michael?
(My God, I hope so)
He (Michael) should have phrased it as an insinuating question, instead of a statement, so he wouldn't have to. (Just like Jim does). -SteveK -- Steve Kann - Horizon Live Distance Learning - 841 Broadway, Suite 502 Personal:stevek@SteveK.COM Business:stevek@HorizonLive.com (212) 533-1775 I don't want your product or service, and I don't want to make money fast, so please don't send me your junk mail telling me about any of it.
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 02:17:07PM -0400, Steve Kann wrote:
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 12:36:31PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 10:29:38AM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year?
[ Conspiracy Theory about Jim Flemings Motivations Deleted ]
I'm assuming you can PROVE this, right Michael?
(My God, I hope so)
He (Michael) should have phrased it as an insinuating question, instead of a statement, so he wouldn't have to.
(Just like Jim does).
-SteveK
True, but he didn't do that. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly / All Lines K56Flex/DOV | NEW! Corporate ISDN Prices dropped by up to 50%! Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost
On 05/20/98, Karl Denninger <karl@mcs.net> wrote:
True, but he didn't do that.
Still makes more sense than any other theory. -- J.D. Falk <jdfalk@vix.com> Vixie Enterprises http://www.vix.com/ *** No more time to wait! http://www.tigerden.com/junkmail/redalert.html ***
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 02:17:07PM -0400, Steve Kann wrote:
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 12:36:31PM -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
On Wed, May 20, 1998 at 10:29:38AM -0700, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year?
[ Conspiracy Theory about Jim Flemings Motivations Deleted ]
I'm assuming you can PROVE this, right Michael?
(My God, I hope so)
He (Michael) should have phrased it as an insinuating question, instead of a statement, so he wouldn't have to.
(Just like Jim does).
-SteveK
True, but he didn't do that.
Karl, We all need to learn to use the phrase "Isn't it true that..." jlw -- Jason Weisberger Chief Technology Officer SoftAware, Inc. - 310/305-0275 In any moment of decision the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing. --Theodore Roosevelt
Hey Jim! Wheres' my cut? M:) On Wed, 20 May 1998, Michael Dillon wrote:
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
Has anyone nominated Jim for the Internet Kooks list, this year?
He's not a kook. He is an agent provocateur who is paid by the telco industry to disrupt Internet activities. The monopoly telcos want to be able to show that the Internet folks are not capable of running the network and that government regulation is necessary. They like a regulatory regime because they have several generations of experience in manipulating government bureaucracies to their own advantage and the Internet currently lacks this.
Fleming is a very sharp-witted psych-ops who can appear perfectly rational when it suits his goals. When he acts like a kook he does so in order to spark outraged outbursts from his Internet guru audience but is careful that a non-technical observer would se no cause for such an outburst in Jim's statements. His goal is to methodically discredit everyone who has any significant role in the design, management and operation of the Internet and he is paid handsomely enough by the monopoly telco industry that he can afford to buy a yacht and spend many months of the year living in a foreign tax haven in the British Virgin Islands.
-- Michael Dillon - Internet & ISP Consulting Memra Communications Inc. - E-mail: michael@memra.com http://www.memra.com - *check out the new name & new website*
On Wed, 20 May 1998, Michael Dillon wrote:
Internet and he is paid handsomely enough by the monopoly telco industry that he can afford to buy a yacht and spend many months of the year living in a foreign tax haven in the British Virgin Islands.
How does one get one of these jobs? I'd love to spend half a year SCUBA diving around the world off my private yacht. Where do I sign up? ------------------------------------------------------------------ Jon Lewis <jlewis@fdt.net> | Spammers will be winnuked or Network Administrator | drawn and quartered...whichever Florida Digital Turnpike | is more convenient. ______http://inorganic5.fdt.net/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key____
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