Greetings. I may have the need to drive a piece of networking equipment with a DC input requirement of 80 AMPS, possibly 90. For remote management, we need the capability to power cycle the box remotely through dial-up. There will be redundant power, so two 80 AMP feeds will be required. Sentry has a box that can split two 100 AMP feeds into two 70 AMP feeds toward our equipment. That's about as high as I can find. What do the larger carriers use? (Or to they just use remote hands at the POPs when necessary. Thanks! -Chris -- Chris Robb Indiana University
Are you absolutely sure about the 80 Amps requirement ? That is absolutely huge for DC powered equipment. You might want to check out the following manufacturers : APC, Lorain, and Reltec. All of these companies have DC power divisions. Lorain is probably the biggest and is used by most ILEC central offices. I have not ever heard of a dial up power controller that works at this current level but you could probably get an electrician to rig something up so that a lower powered relay could trip the higher powered feed for you. This will not work if you are going into a facility that must be NEBS compliant (i.e. a central office) because such a setup will almost certainly not meet the standards since it must be tested as a unit. I would also beat up the manufacturer to add a remote management capability to the box. For example, you might be able to get a modem that will allow you console access to the device. We have looked into this and found that a) there are very few if any NEBS compliant remote switchers and b) there is often no need to power cycle a box as long as you have remote console access. I think this would be better because most DC breakers at 80 amps should not be used as a power switch. We have looked into this and found that a) there are very few if any NEBS compliant remote switchers and b) there is often no need to power cycle a box as long as you have remote console access. You also might want to get an ammeter and see what the equipment is actually drawing because I doubt it is near 80 amps. Often these figures are very worst case. They are usually with a fully loaded chassis running on a single power supply. There is no danger if you use a lower rated breaker other than the equipment tripping it during full load. Lastly, be sure all of your cabling is sized right and that your connectors are absolutely perfect. At this current level you can really get a good fire going or light yourself up. P.S. I just realized that I used NEBS without explaining it. NEBS is a standard adhered to by most telcos. It stands for Network Equipment Building Standards. It is a process of testing and engineering (kind of like the UL testing on consumer products) that rates the equipment for safety, fire prevention, and reliability. You cannot put a device in the central office without this rating. I would also use this rating on any DC equipment I bought whether or not it is required just as a sign of proper engineering and testing. Steven Naslund Network Engineer Allegiance Telecom
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Chris J. Robb Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:24 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: 80 AMP power controllers?
Greetings. I may have the need to drive a piece of networking equipment with a DC input requirement of 80 AMPS, possibly 90. For remote management, we need the capability to power cycle the box remotely through dial-up. There will be redundant power, so two 80 AMP feeds will be required. Sentry has a box that can split two 100 AMP feeds into two 70 AMP feeds toward our equipment. That's about as high as I can find. What do the larger carriers use? (Or to they just use remote hands at the POPs when necessary.
Thanks!
-Chris
-- Chris Robb Indiana University
Chris, Steve has a few good points that you should really consider before furthering your quest. Determining your REAL load is a first.. I'm not saying you will find some "headroom" here, but its a good place to look. Determine if you can cut the power in smaller quantities, or if you really must be able to remotely kill 80amps at once. If you really must toggle the full 80amps, i'm going to think you should investigate getting some "virtual hands" contracts for your locations. On site work force in COs can be very helpful. Also, considering your situation, they may be more than willing to be participating in your events. 80 or 160 amps of power can be quite alot to some smaller plants, and definitely enough to really aggravate the equipment which monitors the smaller plants. Switching that much load attached to a small plant could really cause you and your CO some problems... But, if you are attached to a much larger plant, it may not be such an issue. In either case, I'm sure the CO would be happy to assist.. And with the right "messaging" of your local sales drone, it could be a very cost effective solution. On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Steve Naslund wrote:
Are you absolutely sure about the 80 Amps requirement ? That is absolutely huge for DC powered equipment. You might want to check out the following manufacturers : APC, Lorain, and Reltec. All of these companies have DC power divisions. Lorain is probably the biggest and is used by most ILEC central offices. I have not ever heard of a dial up power controller that works at this current level but you could probably get an electrician to rig something up so that a lower powered relay could trip the higher powered feed for you. This will not work if you are going into a facility that must be NEBS compliant (i.e. a central office) because such a setup will almost certainly not meet the standards since it must be tested as a unit.
I would also beat up the manufacturer to add a remote management capability to the box. For example, you might be able to get a modem that will allow you console access to the device. We have looked into this and found that a) there are very few if any NEBS compliant remote switchers and b) there is often no need to power cycle a box as long as you have remote console access. I think this would be better because most DC breakers at 80 amps should not be used as a power switch. We have looked into this and found that a) there are very few if any NEBS compliant remote switchers and b) there is often no need to power cycle a box as long as you have remote console access.
You also might want to get an ammeter and see what the equipment is actually drawing because I doubt it is near 80 amps. Often these figures are very worst case. They are usually with a fully loaded chassis running on a single power supply. There is no danger if you use a lower rated breaker other than the equipment tripping it during full load. Lastly, be sure all of your cabling is sized right and that your connectors are absolutely perfect. At this current level you can really get a good fire going or light yourself up.
P.S. I just realized that I used NEBS without explaining it. NEBS is a standard adhered to by most telcos. It stands for Network Equipment Building Standards. It is a process of testing and engineering (kind of like the UL testing on consumer products) that rates the equipment for safety, fire prevention, and reliability. You cannot put a device in the central office without this rating. I would also use this rating on any DC equipment I bought whether or not it is required just as a sign of proper engineering and testing.
Steven Naslund Network Engineer Allegiance Telecom
-----Original Message----- From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu]On Behalf Of Chris J. Robb Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 11:24 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: 80 AMP power controllers?
Greetings. I may have the need to drive a piece of networking equipment with a DC input requirement of 80 AMPS, possibly 90. For remote management, we need the capability to power cycle the box remotely through dial-up. There will be redundant power, so two 80 AMP feeds will be required. Sentry has a box that can split two 100 AMP feeds into two 70 AMP feeds toward our equipment. That's about as high as I can find. What do the larger carriers use? (Or to they just use remote hands at the POPs when necessary.
Thanks!
-Chris
-- Chris Robb Indiana University
participants (3)
-
Chris J. Robb -
Shawn Solomon -
Steve Naslund