Lmao. Thanks, Sean, I just snorted my cup of freshly brewed coffee. Ouch. :-) ------Original Message------ From: Sean Donelan Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu To: Stephen Stuart Cc: nanog Sent: Sep 4, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Congestion control train-wreck workshop at Stanford: Call forDemos On Tue, 4 Sep 2007, Stephen Stuart wrote:

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Operators are probably more interested in the "fairness" part of "congestion" than the "efficiency" part of "congestion."

TCP's idea of fairness is a bit weird. Shouldn't it be per-user, not per-flow?

How would you define "user" in that context?

Operators always define the "user" as the person paying the bill. One bill, one user. Its fun to watch network engineers' heads explode. -- Sent from my BlackBerry.