Getting DSL at your datacenter for OOB
NANOG, We've been trying to get DSL (instead of dial-up via a POTS line) at our datacenters for out-of-band access. We had a great experience doing this with Sonic.net at PAIX in Palo Alto but have had no success at our other sites. (Sonic.net isn't a national DSL provider) Has anyone found providers who can provision DSL circuits at: EQNX ASH, the MMR at 111 8th, and the Westin in Seattle? Speakeasy, after trying valiantly, finally just gave up saying they just couldn't make it happen. Thanks, David Ulevitch
We've been trying to get DSL (instead of dial-up via a POTS line) at our datacenters for out-of-band access.
We tried here (Intergate.Seattle in Tukwila) and came up empty also, fell back on POTS. Have you thought about just getting IP from other providers in the building? I thought it would be cool to start up a little co-op in our building of copper cross-connects between various providers STRICTLY for OOB network access. No sales involved, no revenue, strictly butt-saving OOB access. I was actually getting traction until one ... for lack of a better term "party pooper"... put the kibosh on the whole thing and ripped all the wiring out before we had finished. Several of us thought it was a fine idea. I imagine it *could* work in certain buildings/environments with more enlightened facilities and technical people around. (just sharing the thought out there in case anyone decides to run with it) --chuck
chuck goolsbee wrote:
I thought it would be cool to start up a little co-op in our
building of
copper cross-connects between various providers STRICTLY for OOB network access. No sales involved, no revenue, strictly butt-saving OOB access. I was actually getting traction until one ... for lack of a better term "party pooper"... put the kibosh on the whole thing and ripped all the wiring out before we had finished.
Several of us thought it was a fine idea. I imagine it *could* work in certain buildings/environments with more enlightened facilities and technical people around.
I've mentioned it to EQNX and PAIX numerous times that it would be a value-add at the right price point. They don't seem interested. Most replies offlist seem to recommend just dealing with the hell that is the incumbent carrier ... or buying 1mbps-committed transit from someone willing to do it. The problem with that is the $300+ MRC that places like EQNX and PAIX will charge for the ethernet XC. Some other replies offered the you-scratch-my-back-I-scratch-yours solution of throwing an XC to each other in facilities like the Westin or the MMR at 111 8th where XC fees aren't MRCs. -David
Try getting a hold of New Edge Networks. I used to work for them, and they have lots of experience setting up DSL in interesting situations, for real technical users. They've managed to get DSL installed in airports, both in the non-secure as well as secure areas. If anyone can do it, their techs can. http://www.newedgenetworks.com/ On Nov 7, 2007 3:12 PM, David Ulevitch <davidu@everydns.net> wrote:
NANOG,
We've been trying to get DSL (instead of dial-up via a POTS line) at our datacenters for out-of-band access.
We had a great experience doing this with Sonic.net at PAIX in Palo Alto but have had no success at our other sites. (Sonic.net isn't a national DSL provider)
Has anyone found providers who can provision DSL circuits at: EQNX ASH, the MMR at 111 8th, and the Westin in Seattle? Speakeasy, after trying valiantly, finally just gave up saying they just couldn't make it happen.
Thanks, David Ulevitch
-- ||| leo.green@gmail.com - #include <useless_vendor_certifications.h> ||| Opportunity is most often missed because it usually shows up in overalls, looking like work. --Mike Rowe
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, David Ulevitch wrote:
We had a great experience doing this with Sonic.net at PAIX in Palo Alto but have had no success at our other sites. (Sonic.net isn't a national DSL provider)
Has anyone found providers who can provision DSL circuits at: EQNX ASH, the MMR at 111 8th, and the Westin in Seattle? Speakeasy, after trying valiantly, finally just gave up saying they just couldn't make it happen. It's not rocket science. You order POTS line from the LEC. Then you order DSL from your favorite shared-line DSL provider on that POTS line.
Trying to get non-lineshared-dsl might be a challenge. However, I recommend POTS + DSL, for additional OOB-ness, you can plug your DSL modem into the OOB ethernet and your analog modem into OOB serial network. fwiw, we are providing dsl to 111 8th MMR, the one running the free wifi there :) -alex [not posting as mlc anything]
I don't understand why stand alone (naked) DSL is so hard to get in non-Qwest territory. Qwest will provision one no questions asked or needed. Alex Pilosov wroteth on 11/7/2007 11:15 PM:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007, David Ulevitch wrote:
We had a great experience doing this with Sonic.net at PAIX in Palo Alto but have had no success at our other sites. (Sonic.net isn't a national DSL provider)
Has anyone found providers who can provision DSL circuits at: EQNX ASH, the MMR at 111 8th, and the Westin in Seattle? Speakeasy, after trying valiantly, finally just gave up saying they just couldn't make it happen. It's not rocket science. You order POTS line from the LEC. Then you order DSL from your favorite shared-line DSL provider on that POTS line.
Trying to get non-lineshared-dsl might be a challenge.
However, I recommend POTS + DSL, for additional OOB-ness, you can plug your DSL modem into the OOB ethernet and your analog modem into OOB serial network.
fwiw, we are providing dsl to 111 8th MMR, the one running the free wifi there :)
-alex [not posting as mlc anything]
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