You've conveniently failed to address the issue where the list moderator of namedroppers took it upon himself to edit the content of posts before forwarding them to the list.
I'm ignoring that claim, yes. I'm not sure how "convenient" it is for me.
... The messages that were sent clearly fell within the list's charter, yet they were rejected and/or edited by the moderator for what appear to be entirely personal reasons.
Randy can be hard to take sometimes (unlike, say, me) but I completely trust his judgement as to what is, and is not, topical for the namedroppers@ list. Remember, if you wanted to start a nam3dr0pp3rs@ list someplace else and post introductions to it on ietf@ and namedroppers@, noone could stop you. So if you or anyone else is thinking of claiming to be experiencing censorship, I hope you've got evidence of prior restraint to back that claim up. Your iron, your lists, your rules. Go for it. Best of luck, and all that.
On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 10:39:40PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote:
You've conveniently failed to address the issue where the list moderator of namedroppers took it upon himself to edit the content of posts before forwarding them to the list.
I'm ignoring that claim, yes. I'm not sure how "convenient" it is for me.
In your first post to NANOG on this issue, you stated that the namedroppers list was "to debate the fine points of DNS". From what I've read at http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/namedroppers.html, this does not appear to be the case.
... The messages that were sent clearly fell within the list's charter, yet they were rejected and/or edited by the moderator for what appear to be entirely personal reasons.
Randy can be hard to take sometimes (unlike, say, me) but I completely trust his judgement as to what is, and is not, topical for the namedroppers@ list.
I suppose it's easy to feel that way when you're not the one being censored.
Remember, if you wanted to start a nam3dr0pp3rs@ list someplace else and post introductions to it on ietf@ and namedroppers@, noone could stop you.
That's incorrect. The moderator could stop me. Also, it wouldn't matter if I made my own list, because any list I created would not be the official list of the DNSEXT working group.
So if you or anyone else is thinking of claiming to be experiencing censorship, I hope you've got evidence of prior restraint to back that claim up. Your iron, your lists, your rules. Go for it. Best of luck, and all that.
I was merely pointing out that the namedroppers list is not exactly the open forum that you purported it to be. I posted a link to a web page (above) in support of this claim. You have not yet refuted anything that is published on that page. --Adam -- Adam McKenna <adam@flounder.net> | GPG: 17A4 11F7 5E7E C2E7 08AA http://flounder.net/publickey.html | 38B0 05D0 8BF7 2C6D 110A
On Sun, Oct 07, 2001 at 11:23:11PM -0700, Adam McKenna wrote:
Remember, if you wanted to start a nam3dr0pp3rs@ list someplace else and post introductions to it on ietf@ and namedroppers@, noone could stop you.
That's incorrect. The moderator could stop me. Also, it wouldn't matter if I made my own list, because any list I created would not be the official list of the DNSEXT working group.
On a more practical note, because of the moderation namedroppers is not as effective as it could be. Mr Bush is as active a moderator as you could wish one, often working at all hours but so far the moderation has not had any additional value - it halts discussion. If people find contributions of certain subscribers less than useful, they are free to use procmail. Regards, bert (the only reason for posting this message here is that it pertains to the entire dns community, not just the select few who are subscribed to namedroppers). -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Versatile DNS Software & Services Trilab The Technology People Netherlabs BV / Rent-a-Nerd.nl - Nerd Available - 'SYN! .. SYN|ACK! .. ACK!' - the mating call of the internet
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