I love spam from Honduras. I am hoping that someone is going to kick this email from the members list. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:47 PM, ty chan <chanty_kh@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:11:49 -0500, Grant Ridder said:
I love spam from Honduras. I am hoping that someone is going to kick this email from the members list.
I'm hoping for something a tad more drastic. The bozo has an upstream, and this is NANOG. :)
Back when I was at Berkeley, we used to punish offenders by routing their packets out to Finland and back (before Finland's net admins figured out what we were doing and quite rightly complained). Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause? -- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, George Herbert wrote:
Back when I was at Berkeley, we used to punish offenders by routing their packets out to Finland and back (before Finland's net admins figured out what we were doing and quite rightly complained).
Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause?
Null0 / discard? That's pretty low-bandwidth. jms
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, George Herbert wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:11:49 -0500, Grant Ridder said:
I love spam from Honduras. I am hoping that someone is going to kick this email from the members list. I'm hoping for something a tad more drastic. The bozo has an upstream, and this is NANOG. :) Back when I was at Berkeley, we used to punish offenders by routing
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote: their packets out to Finland and back (before Finland's net admins figured out what we were doing and quite rightly complained).
Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause?
I'm thinking wire cutters would be more effective. -Dan
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <goemon@anime.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, George Herbert wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:11:49 -0500, Grant Ridder said:
I love spam from Honduras. I am hoping that someone is going to kick this email from the members list.
I'm hoping for something a tad more drastic. The bozo has an upstream, and this is NANOG. :)
Back when I was at Berkeley, we used to punish offenders by routing their packets out to Finland and back (before Finland's net admins figured out what we were doing and quite rightly complained).
Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause?
I'm thinking wire cutters would be more effective.
-Dan
No, no, no no. The objective is to maximize wasted spammer time. The trick is to not just disconnect them - that happens every day, they just move on. It's to make their life irritating, painful, and less productive, to the point where time they'd be spending getting new business and working on new anti-filtering technology is spent corresponding with net providers and doing network quality checks, wondering if they should or have to bail out of a now flaky network. With just the right mixture, you can waste five, ten, twenty times more of their time with a carefully engineered glitch than you can just chopping them off. They've already factored wire cutters in; raise the bar. -- -george william herbert george.herbert@gmail.com
George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> writes:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <goemon@anime.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, George Herbert wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:11:49 -0500, Grant Ridder said:
I love spam from Honduras. I am hoping that someone is going to kick this email from the members list.
I'm hoping for something a tad more drastic. The bozo has an upstream, and this is NANOG. :)
Back when I was at Berkeley, we used to punish offenders by routing their packets out to Finland and back (before Finland's net admins figured out what we were doing and quite rightly complained).
Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause?
I'm thinking wire cutters would be more effective.
-Dan
No, no, no no.
The objective is to maximize wasted spammer time. The trick is to not just disconnect them - that happens every day, they just move on. It's to make their life irritating, painful, and less productive, to the point where time they'd be spending getting new business and working on new anti-filtering technology is spent corresponding with net providers and doing network quality checks, wondering if they should or have to bail out of a now flaky network. With just the right mixture, you can waste five, ten, twenty times more of their time with a carefully engineered glitch than you can just chopping them off.
They've already factored wire cutters in; raise the bar.
per-packet load-balancing between default route and null0 could accomplish that goal. -r
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, Robert E. Seastrom wrote:
per-packet load-balancing between default route and null0 could accomplish that goal.
Actually, wouldn't source/dest tuple based balancing be even more interesting? Or perhaps a combination of both! -- Brandon Ross Yahoo & AIM: BrandonNRoss +1-404-635-6667 ICQ: 2269442 Schedule a meeting: https://tungle.me/bross Skype: brandonross
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per-packet load-balancing between default route and null0 could accomplish that goal.
Actually, wouldn't source/dest tuple based balancing be even more interesting? Or perhaps a combination of both!
Another way would be to route via a Vyatta router and configure packet corruption: set qos-policy network-emulator BadPackets packet-corruption 10% Jonathon This email and attachments: are confidential; may be protected by privilege and copyright; if received in error may not be used, copied, or kept; are not guaranteed to be virus-free; may not express the views of Kordia(R); do not designate an information system; and do not give rise to any liability for Kordia(R).
On Aug 21, 2012, at 16:22 , George Herbert <george.herbert@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:06 PM, <goemon@anime.net> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012, George Herbert wrote:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:25 PM, <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Tue, 21 Aug 2012 17:11:49 -0500, Grant Ridder said:
I love spam from Honduras. I am hoping that someone is going to kick this email from the members list.
I'm hoping for something a tad more drastic. The bozo has an upstream, and this is NANOG. :)
Back when I was at Berkeley, we used to punish offenders by routing their packets out to Finland and back (before Finland's net admins figured out what we were doing and quite rightly complained).
Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause?
I'm thinking wire cutters would be more effective.
-Dan
No, no, no no.
The objective is to maximize wasted spammer time. The trick is to not just disconnect them - that happens every day, they just move on. It's to make their life irritating, painful, and less productive, to the point where time they'd be spending getting new business and working on new anti-filtering technology is spent corresponding with net providers and doing network quality checks, wondering if they should or have to bail out of a now flaky network. With just the right mixture, you can waste five, ten, twenty times more of their time with a carefully engineered glitch than you can just chopping them off.
Reminds me of the cmd.exe CGI PERL script I wrote once... I noticed I was constantly getting people trying to execute CMD.EXE on my linux web server. So, instead of filling up my logs with 404s, I wrote a little PERL script to send them a copy of the compiled 64-bit linux kernel one octet at a time with 5 seconds between octets. It truly amazed me how many of the bots would sit there patiently receiving dribs and drabs of traffic until the entire 8+Mbyte kernel was transmitted. Owen
Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link they can dedicate to The Cause?
Dummynet. One cheap PC, two NICs, roll your own, as long as you like. I've had fake circuits running with 2s RTT, applications keep doing their thing, just very slowly. Regards, Tim.
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