On Friday, April 05, 1996 6:19 AM, Wolfgang Henke[SMTP:wolfgang@whnet.com] wrote: @ salo@msc.edu (Tim Salo) wrote: @ It would appear that there may also be a strong argument that the @ tremendous proliferation of [small] ISPs is a significant contributor @ to the growth of the size of the Internet routing tables. @ @ @Tim, @ @this smells like an opportunity to me. To my regret I've been observing @the decline of the supercomputer industry for years due to a lack of demand @(KSR, CM5). Can't the supercomputer gurus apply some of their extensive @knowledge gained in a super-router? @ @ @Wolfgang @ Solutions that move the overall architecture toward the need for "bigger, faster, etc." will drive the Internet down the same path as the supercomputer industry... In my opinion, we need to sit back, look at the big picture, and come up with incremental architectural changes. We need to RE-apply the Internet Philosophy to the Internet itself and investigate the result. -- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL 60563 e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net
Solutions that move the overall architecture toward the need for "bigger, faster, etc." will drive the Internet down the same path as the supercomputer industry...
In my opinion, we need to sit back, look at the big picture, and come up with incremental architectural changes. We need to RE-apply the Internet Philosophy to the Internet itself and investigate the result.
-- Jim Fleming UNETY Systems, Inc. Naperville, IL 60563
e-mail: JimFleming@unety.net
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Solutions that move the overall architecture toward the need for "bigger, faster, etc." will drive the Internet down the same path as the supercomputer industry...
In my opinion, we need to sit back, look at the big picture, and come up with incremental architectural changes. We need to RE-apply the Internet Philosophy to the Internet itself and investigate the result.
I prefer incremental changes as well. The only problem is that they might not be sufficient to solve the current bottlenecks. It might work if we restrict new users just to V.34 modem speeds. But if we have *potential* new user growth with ATT Worldnet with up to 80 million, @home with up to 50 million and the fast growing traditional ISPs, (which show no signs of consolidation as far as I can tell) as well as widespread access speed increases to ISDN BRI, ADSL and cable, it may not be enough. As Robert Moskovitz pointed out, even the growth in common used backbones speeds is not keeping up: 1. 56 kbps 2. 1.544 Mbps increase by 24 3. 44.736 Mbps increase by 28 4. 155.520 Mbps increase by merely 3 Just keeping in step with past growth patterns would require a step to OC-24c at 1244.15 Mbps now, but there are no routers which come even close to those speeds. Wolfgang PS. www.whnet.com/wolfgang/giga.html has an overview of routers.
On Sat, 6 Apr 1996, Wolfgang Henke wrote:
As Robert Moskovitz pointed out, even the growth in common used backbones speeds is not keeping up:
1. 56 kbps 2. 1.544 Mbps increase by 24 3. 44.736 Mbps increase by 28 4. 155.520 Mbps increase by merely 3
Just keeping in step with past growth patterns would require a step to OC-24c at 1244.15 Mbps now, but there are no routers which come even close to those speeds.
Even backbones are not backbones anymore. Sprint, MCI et al. operate meshes with multiple internal paths. If you have an average of 8 alternate paths of OC3c, then you get closer to a 24x multiple of DS3. Of course it's not really that simple, but I don't think that things are as bad as they look in your table above. Michael Dillon Voice: +1-604-546-8022 Memra Software Inc. Fax: +1-604-546-3049 http://www.memra.com E-mail: michael@memra.com
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