Thanks for your support Jim. I've gotten mixed feedback to my proposal here for a centralized bogon filter from the RIRs via BGP, but I will say there's been more support than opposition. (Most of the support has been sent to me, not the list, while most of the opposition has been to the list, however). I know it's too late to get it into the Memphis meeting, but I think, based on the amount of support it has received, that I will submit a policy proposal to ARIN in support of creating the requisite BGP feeds. I realize that an ARIN policy alone won't do this (the other RIRs would have to follow suit), but, if ARIN adopts it, I don't think it will be too hard to get the other RIRs to follow. I'm also not familiar with the policy process in the other RIRs. I absolutely agree with you about the whois contact stuff. I think it might make sense eventually to put a similar requirement for current information on the admin and tech contact, although I don't see putting the same response and performance strictures on them. For now, I'm trying to address large issues in small enogh pieces to get rough consensus around the solution to each small piece. Trying to solve the big problems all at once never seems to achieve rough consensus. Owen --On Monday, March 10, 2003 11:19 PM -0500 "McBurnett, Jim" <jmcburnett@msmgmt.com> wrote:

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From Chris Adams: This isn't meant to be a pick on you (we've got some SWIPs filed incorrectly that we are working on). I've just run into more and more cases where ARIN (or other RIR, but I'm typically interested in ARIN info) info is out of date. Maybe ARIN should periodically send an "are you there" type email to contacts (like some mailing lists do). If that fails, mail a letter with instructions on how to update your contact info, and if that fails, delete the invalid contact info - I'd rather see no contact info than bogus info.

Chris, If you read PPML, there is a HUGE push via Owen DeLong's Policy 2003-1a to help with some aspects of the whois Contact.. his policy is mainly based on the abuse contact, But I think may get extended to all contacts eventually... Owen- Wanta jump in here???

And-- if you feel strong enough to be flamed on the ARIN PPML list propose a Policy based on your comments.. I for one agree with you.. just give 2 or 3 tries.. If it fails once - retry 24 hours if it fails again retry 48 hours. If it fails again.. 3 strikes and your out in the old ball game (add in the music from "take me out to the ballgame")

Later, J

That's my 10 cents worth- ya know inflation gets us everywhere...