On Sat, Feb 03, 2001 at 08:34:58PM -0800, Joe Rhett typed:

Yes, and I'm sure that everyone sitting on their heels dealing with those environments thanks you as well. Let's be rude to anyone that doesn't meet our personal design philosophy, why don't we?

First of all, you were the one with the negativity first. Second, Anyone who is running stock daemon binaries deserves to have problems. Yes, This is a personal opinion. Never said it wasn't. But, at least 15 people mailed me privately agreeing with me. Another personal opinion: If there's someplace that won't let the admin's they hire use their judgement when installing such important services as dns, mail and www, sounds like they don't have alot of confidence in their admins. Scenario: Paul Vixie emails NANOG on a friday night that there's a security issue with bind. If it took Sun a week to come out with a patch, you're going to just sit idly by? In fact, I may have missed it, but I don't think i've seen a Sun patch yet. A search on Access1 shows the same. Are you still running bind previous to 8.2.3, as you'll only install a vendor patch? If ISC gave Sun the information prior to last Friday, they sure haven't done anything with it, that I can tell. So why should they get preferential treatment? I agree with Paul. This has gotten way to non-operational.

Hang out with Greg Woods much?

OK, you just lost all credibility. Kthnx. -- Jeffrey Meltzer Sr. Network Administrator VillageWorld.com, Inc. SolarisGuide: http://www.solarisguide.com