Re: More Sidgemore on per-bit pricing
At 06:43 PM 12/9/1998 -0500, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
I was just saying how you could lower the cost of the ADSL loop from around $150 to $30, with both you would need to supply the IP. The idea would be that you would not just use the port for internet traffice. You would provide voice services, you would provice VOD (video on demand), and cable services (using something like I Magic TV).
Oh yeah, I got that, Nathan. It's just that I get miffed when people keep going on (don't take this personal) about how cool it is that I can get my loop down from $300 to $150... when my router port is still $1800. Nice, yeah, but not what people mean when they blather about "cheap bandwidth". If it's _that_ cheap, it's running under completely different assumptions than a standard T-1; viz: cable modems.
Um, actually, I think think you can get DSLAM's for about $700 per port or less going by my recent informal surveys. Router ports have been way overpriced for a long time. They were overpriced when an AGS sold for 30K with a stack of ethernet, serial, and an fddi port. Of course, back then the pricing model optimistically expected to sell only a few thousand. They got even more overpriced later, and now expect to sell hundreds of thousands. What I've yet to find out is what sort of latency one gets with a DSL modem as compared to a DSU... I'm not sure DSL is somehow inferior technology (as Bob Metcalfe seems to think from an article several years ago), or if it just represents a (slight) change and a collapse of the fee structure. --Dean ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Plain Aviation, Inc dean@av8.com LAN/WAN/UNIX/NT/TCPIP http://www.av8.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 07:31:25PM -0500, Dean Anderson wrote:
can get my loop down from $300 to $150... when my router port is still $1800. Nice, yeah, but not what people mean when they blather about "cheap bandwidth". If it's _that_ cheap, it's running under completely different assumptions than a standard T-1; viz: cable modems.
Um, actually, I think think you can get DSLAM's for about $700 per port or less going by my recent informal surveys.
Router ports have been way overpriced for a long time. They were overpriced when an AGS sold for 30K with a stack of ethernet, serial, and an fddi port. Of course, back then the pricing model optimistically expected to sell only a few thousand. They got even more overpriced later, and now expect to sell hundreds of thousands.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you've misunderstood me. :-) I'm not talking about the card, I'm talking about my proportion of the amount the guy I'm buying from has to pay for _his_ uplink. Bandwidth Costs Money. Cheers, -- jra -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Buy copies of The New Hackers Dictionary. The Suncoast Freenet Give them to all your friends. Tampa Bay, Florida http://www.ccil.org/jargon/ +1 813 790 7592
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Dean Anderson wrote:
Um, actually, I think think you can get DSLAM's for about $700 per port or less going by my recent informal surveys.
I don't want to speak for Jay, but I think he was talking about the cost of bandwidth, not hardware or loops. -- Check out the new CLEC mailing list at http://www.robotics.net/clec
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