-----Original Message----- From: Reese [mailto:reese@inkworkswell.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 12:36 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: US hunters shoot down Google fibre

At 11:39 21 09 10, Leslie wrote:

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I don't think anyone is claiming all hunters/gun owners are irresponsible,

Re-read the article. "[h]unters" it said, not "some hunters" or "irresponsible hunters". How broad must the brush be, before you feel personally impugned and maligned?

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but, as with any segment of the population, when you have a large group there will be a percentage of complete idiots out there who take stupid actions.

I acknowledged that. I regret its truthiness. But with Google and only Google as a named victim of the hardware DoS, I have yet to read anything that convinces me that it was not corporate sabotage.

My point was not that wires and insulators do not get shot or shot at, but that "hunters" was a convenient excuse that other things could be too-conveniently classified with.

Who, here, hunts? Shoot at wires and insulators on towers, do you?

Reese

I live in Washington State and have managed a fiber network along paths similar to the ones being taken by Google. Every winter we had at least 4 shotgun-blast outages, sometimes in the middle of nowhere and sometimes with a direct line of site to the back porch of a local "manufactured home". You would be amazed at what people find fun with during a long, cold winter and a belly full of libations. And I can almost guarantee you it wasn't sabotage. In many cases, the revelers were shooting at power lines and happened to hit the fibers wrapped around the ground wire. These are 500 kV lines by the way. Long story short, you can't account for stupid. Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksmith@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D)