Re: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense anymore?
Hello, Can you, please, explain why you didn't consider Frame Relay based exchange in your analysis? Regards, nenad
Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 08:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "William B. Norton" <wbn@equinix.com> To: nanog@merit.edu Sender: owner-nanog@merit.edu Delivered-to: nanog-outgoing@trapdoor.merit.edu Delivered-to: nanog@trapdoor.merit.edu Delivered-to: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense anymore?
Hi again -
A couple points (based on some interactions with folks privately).
This is not an ATM is bad, or general ATM-bashing paper. It simply applies the same Peering Analysis that ISPs are applying to determine if and when IXes make sense. With the transit prices and transport prices dropping, this is a reasonable question, worthy of greater analysis than "well, ATM is expensive so ATM is bad."
To give you a flavor, given a set of assumptions, OC-3 (155Mbps) transport into an ATM-based IX has an "Effective Peering Range" (where peering across them is cheaper than transit) of 75-90Mbps, while given the same assumptions, Fast Ethernet-based IXes also at OC-3 have an Effective Peering Range of 40-70Mbps. The "Minimum Cost of Traffic Exchange" for this ATM solution is $122/Mbps while FastE is $80/Mbps.
At higher capacity the interconnect analysis is more dramatic: Given the relatively high price point of transport and port cost, the Effective Peering Range for ATM/OC-12 Peering is a narrow 236Mbps to 375Mbps with a Minimum Cost of Traffic Exchange of $69/Mbps. The GigE/OC-12 equivalent range is 109Mbps-466Mbps with a Minimum Cost of Traffic Exchange of $25/Mbps.
What was unexpected in this analysis was the Effective Peering Range Gap. When an ISP upgrades the ATM OC-3 to OC-12, the gap between the Effective Peering Bandwidth of the OC-3 (90Mbps) and the Peering Breakeven Point (the point at which the Peering Costs are totally offset by the cost savings of peering vs. transit) at 208Mbps is huge. This 118Mbps gap is where an ISP should rationally prefer to purchase transit until 208Mbps can be sent in peering relationships over the ATM fabric, and only then upgrade the peering connection to OC-12!
There is also an Ethernet EPR Gap but it is only about 40 Mbps, and once at the GigE/OC-12 capacity, it gets you an Effective Peering Range up to 475Mbps.
In any case, this is the analysis that the paper walks through, and since the spreadsheets are in the paper, one can muck around with the assumptions and cost points, key of which are: 1) ATM OC-3 Port Cost $8000/mo, ATM OC-3 Circuit Cost $3000/mo, ATM OC-12 Port Cost $17000/mo, ATM OC-12 Circuit Cost $8000/mo 2) FastE Port & Rack Space $2500/mo, OC-3 Circuit $3500/mo, GigE Port & Rack Price$5000/mo, OC-12 Circuit $7000/mo 3) Transit Price: if you peer at OC-3, you probably pay $125/Mbps, peer at OC-12,$110/Mbps 4) ATM Overhead (aka cell tax): 20% 5) Assumption that ISP upgrade capacity when avg utilization >75% Effective Peering BW
Let me know if you violently object to any of these data points. These are culled from a lot of conversations in the field. The rest of the paper is simply plugging these data points into the equations and analyzing the results.
Bill
At 04:36 PM 8/7/2002 -0700, William B. Norton wrote:
Hi all -
I've been working with a number of ISPs on a research paper that builds on the previous peering research papers (Internet Service Providers and Peering, A Business Case for Peering, The Art of Peering, Interconnection Strategies for ISPs, etc.) that applies the Peering Modelling tools in a comparison of ATM and Ethernet-based Internet Exchanges. Both of these IXes are compared against each other and against the cost of buying transit. The paper applies recent price quotes for transport and transit, costs for ATM and Ethernet-based IX participation, to answer the question:
Do ATM-based Exchange Points make sense anymore?
I'd like to speak with additional ISP Peering Coordinators and Network Architects (preferable ones that have experience with peering across both ATM and Ethenet-based IXes) to walk through this paper and help me check that I have the technical and business details right. I would need about 20 minutes or so on the phone to walk you through the paper, the financial models, the cost points, and get feedback on the conclusions...preferably sometime in the next couple weeks.
If you are a Peering Coordinator I think you will find at least a couple of findings in this research *very* interesting. In any case, if you can help, please send me an e-mail at wbn@equinix.com and let me know when we could chat.
Thanks -
Bill
PS - As with any these Peering White Papers, this white paper will be freely available once enough folks have walked through it and verify that we have things right.
------------------------------------------ Abstract --------------------------------------------------- During the NSFNET transition from the Authorized Use Policy Internet to the Commercial Internet, several Network Access Points (NAPs) were created to facilitate the traffic exchange between the Internet Service Providers, two of which were ATM-based. Internet Service Providers were initially required to connect to three of the four NAPs in order to receive NSF funds (indirectly through their NSF-sponsored customers) during this transition period.
During the years that followed, this requirement was dropped and the costs models of Internet Operation have changed dramatically. Technologies such as Wave Division Multiplexing and Long Haul Fiber Improvements have led to radical a decrease in the cost of transport and a corresponding drop in the price of transit. At the same, the cost of peering at ATM-based exchange points has not substantially dropped in cost, leading to the question in the Peering Coordinator Community:
"Do ATM-based Internet Exchange Points make sense anymore?"
In this paper we apply the peering financial models to this question, using current market prices to compare the price of transit against the costs of peering at ATM-based NAPs and Ethernet-based Internet Exchange Points. We build upon the previous research on Peering by introducing the notion of an Effective Peering Range (EPR) to describe the "useful life" of an Internet Exchange. We also highlight a potentially costly EPR Gap, an interim range between Peering Capacity points where peering is more expensive than transit.
The financial models presented that produced the graphs are included in the Appendix so that ISPs can apply these cost models to their specific situation.
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Can you, please, explain why you didn't consider Frame Relay based exchange in your analysis?
I don't have much insight into Frame Relay-based Internet Exchange Points ;-) The majority of IXes around the world are ethernet-based, with some legacy FDDI and a few ATM IXes. It is in these areas that I have done the most data collection. The same analysis could be applied to peering across WANs and MANs as compared with buying transit though. It might be interesting provided I can get some market prices for transport and ports. Why look at ATM? Right now almost everyone I am speaking with is seeing massive drops in transit and transport prices, even below the points I quoted, but with no comparable price drop in ATM ports or transport into an ATM cloud. These forces lead to a point where a connection to an ATM IX makes no sense (from a strictly financial standpoint). I have another 10 folks to walk through the paper to make sure I'm not missing anything in the analysis, and I'll post to the list when the paper is available. If you are interested I'd love to walk you through it to get your take. One point a couple other folks brought up during the review (paraphrasing) "You can't talk about a 20% ATM cell tax on the ATM-based IX side without counting the HDLC Framing Overhead (4%) for the OC-x circuit into an ethernet-based IX." Since the "Effective Peering Bandwidth" is the max peering that can be done across the peering infrastructure, this is a good point and has now been factored into the model and analysis. Bill
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, William B. Norton wrote:
One point a couple other folks brought up during the review (paraphrasing) "You can't talk about a 20% ATM cell tax on the ATM-based IX side without counting the HDLC Framing Overhead (4%) for the OC-x circuit into an ethernet-based IX." Since the "Effective Peering Bandwidth" is the max peering that can be done across the peering infrastructure, this is a good point and has now been factored into the model and analysis.
Most exchange point users terminate their exchange connections on core routers in each geographic area so they don't experience any additional overhead than what they would already have for their core network links. Even after arbitrarily adding 4% conservative overhead to the gige case, gige is still way more cost effective. Mike. +------------------- H U R R I C A N E - E L E C T R I C -------------------+ | Mike Leber Direct Internet Connections Voice 510 580 4100 | | Hurricane Electric Web Hosting Colocation Fax 510 580 4151 | | mleber@he.net http://www.he.net | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Nenad Trifunovic wrote:
Can you, please, explain why you didn't consider Frame Relay based exchange in your analysis?
I'd imagine because no real 'high-speed' FR switch exists (as in, oc12 or above). -- Alex Rubenstein, AR97, K2AHR, alex@nac.net, latency, Al Reuben -- -- Net Access Corporation, 800-NET-ME-36, http://www.nac.net --
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