At 07:08 AM 12/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
Funky discovery... question is, why does GE need such massive addr space? :)
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[root@newspeer1 /root]# whois 3.0.0.0 General Electric Company (NET-GE-INTERNET) One Independence Way Princeton, NJ 08540
Netname: GE-INTERNET Netnumber: 3.0.0.0
The Princeton address is the same as the old RCA company division that did DARPA and ARPA gov't contracting, so that address space once belonged to RCA "in the beginning". I have personal experience in a past life doing military DARPA work with RCA, nearly twenty years ago, long before they formed RCA Astro and built communications satellites. This address space was given to RCA for DARPA work *only* way back then or earlier. RCA was one of the *first* contractors in the TCP/IP address space, and we worked on the very first gov't. task at the inception with them. No such work has been done for years, and there is no reason for RCA/GE to have this address space anymore. Perhaps the real issue is - now that RCA was swallowed up years ago by the mighty GE in a lengthy acquisitions process, and no longer has any defensible need for this much address space, why do they still have it? It is damn sure not being used for what it was originally intended, nor is it being used to anywhere near 80% of its capacity. I did a casual sequential-countup scripted "ping -a" on a small slice of 3.0.0.0, and found almost no working domains within this address space. Ever wonder? How can they get away with keeping this much address space and NOT be using it, when we all jump through hoops to get our own little blocks of net numbers allocated? Just challenging the status quo again, (gave up tilting at windmills because my horse ran away.....) Randall
Hi, In the beginning a lot of Fortune 100 companies were assigned Class 'A' addresses. In todays world of address shortages, the existence of NAT and RFC1919 spaces make this hard to justify, but imagine the expense of having to readdress hundreds of thousands of workstations and hosts. Few of the original class A holders could rejustify their address allocations today, but who are we to judge? I was at Boeing during those days and had access to 20+ class B addresses and a class A (we returned the 'A' :-). I doubt HP, Xerox, IBM, GE, Mercedes etc want the expense of changing... John At 11:53 AM 12/23/97 -0500, Randall Pigott wrote:
At 07:08 AM 12/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
Funky discovery... question is, why does GE need such massive addr space? :)
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[root@newspeer1 /root]# whois 3.0.0.0 General Electric Company (NET-GE-INTERNET) One Independence Way Princeton, NJ 08540
Netname: GE-INTERNET Netnumber: 3.0.0.0
The Princeton address is the same as the old RCA company division that did DARPA and ARPA gov't contracting, so that address space once belonged to RCA "in the beginning". I have personal experience in a past life doing military DARPA work with RCA, nearly twenty years ago, long before they formed RCA Astro and built communications satellites. This address space was given to RCA for DARPA work *only* way back then or earlier. RCA was one of the *first* contractors in the TCP/IP address space, and we worked on the very first gov't. task at the inception with them. No such work has been done for years, and there is no reason for RCA/GE to have this address space anymore.
Perhaps the real issue is - now that RCA was swallowed up years ago by the mighty GE in a lengthy acquisitions process, and no longer has any defensible need for this much address space, why do they still have it? It is damn sure not being used for what it was originally intended, nor is it being used to anywhere near 80% of its capacity.
I did a casual sequential-countup scripted "ping -a" on a small slice of 3.0.0.0, and found almost no working domains within this address space.
Ever wonder? How can they get away with keeping this much address space and NOT be using it, when we all jump through hoops to get our own little blocks of net numbers allocated?
Just challenging the status quo again, (gave up tilting at windmills because my horse ran away.....)
Randall
Randall Pigott wrote:
... Ever wonder? How can they get away with keeping this much address space and NOT be using it, when we all jump through hoops to get our own little blocks of net numbers allocated?
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A few years ago, I was surveyed by the Internic as to utilization of space that I owned in a former job. I offered to turn back portions of the space (several class "B" worth). I was never contacted again.
Roy supposedly said:
A few years ago, I was surveyed by the Internic as to utilization of space that I owned in a former job. I offered to turn back portions of the space (several class "B" worth). I was never contacted again.
Returning space is easy. If it is "legacy" space just send do the following: (From RFC 1917) 4.3 How to Return a Block of Address Space to the IANA Send the following form to Hostmaster@internic.net & iana@isi.edu, changing the $NET_PREFIX to the network being returned. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Please update the contact information on the following net as follows: Netname: RESERVED Netnumber: $NET_PREFIX Coordinator: Reynolds, Joyce K. (JKR1) JKRey@ISI.EDU (310) 822-1511 Alternate Contact: Postel, Jon (JBP) POSTEL@ISI.EDU (310) 822-1511 ---------------------------------------------------------------- If it is from a block of addresses assigned by RIPE or APNIC send it to their hostmaster@ripe.net or hostmaster@apnic.net
Roy supposedly said:
A few years ago, I was surveyed by the Internic as to utilization of space that I owned in a former job. I offered to turn back portions of the space (several class "B" worth). I was never contacted again.
Returning space is easy. If it is "legacy" space just send do the following: (From RFC 1917)
4.3 How to Return a Block of Address Space to the IANA
Send the following form to Hostmaster@internic.net & iana@isi.edu, changing the $NET_PREFIX to the network being returned.
Actually that's now hostmaster@arin.net ;-) Kim
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Please update the contact information on the following net as follows:
Netname: RESERVED Netnumber: $NET_PREFIX
Coordinator: Reynolds, Joyce K. (JKR1) JKRey@ISI.EDU (310) 822-1511 Alternate Contact: Postel, Jon (JBP) POSTEL@ISI.EDU (310) 822-1511
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If it is from a block of addresses assigned by RIPE or APNIC send it to their hostmaster@ripe.net or hostmaster@apnic.net
Actually that's now hostmaster@arin.net ;-)
Kim
Well, last I heard, things are kind of in a snaffoo. Any idea when things will be resolved so we can start resubmitting SWIPs? Cheers, -ravi -- Ravi H Pina * "There are only two way to live your life. One is as ravi@iagnet.net * though nothing is a mairacle. The other is as though DID:216.523.2615 * everything is a miracle." NOC:800.424.3223 * -- Albert Einstein
Actually that's now hostmaster@arin.net ;-)
Kim
Coordinator: Reynolds, Joyce K. (JKR1) JKRey@ISI.EDU (310) 822-1511 Alternate Contact: Postel, Jon (JBP) POSTEL@ISI.EDU (310) 822-1511
I take it that the best part of this is that Joyce Reynolds gets a bill for being allocated space by ARIN. :-). -- Dan Boehlke, Senior Network Engineer M R N e t Internet: dboehlke@mr.net A MEANS Telcom Company Phone: 612-362-5814 2829 SE University Ave. Suite 200 WWW: http://www.mr.net/~dboehlke/ Minneapolis, MN 55414
On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, Philip J. Nesser II wrote:
Roy supposedly said:
A few years ago, I was surveyed by the Internic as to utilization of space that I owned in a former job. I offered to turn back portions of the space (several class "B" worth). I was never contacted again.
Returning space is easy. If it is "legacy" space just send do the following: (From RFC 1917)
4.3 How to Return a Block of Address Space to the IANA
Send the following form to Hostmaster@internic.net & iana@isi.edu, changing the $NET_PREFIX to the network being returned. [...]
(yes, the below is a different situation than the original poster) And what exactly do you do if you have a small block (eg. /22) that you have zero use for anymore and want to get rid of but it is not allocated directly from the InterNIC but rather out of another provider's block (a /16 in this case)? Nope, can't talk to the InterNIC because they don't want anything to do with it because it isn't allocated from them. Nope, can't just give it back to the company (that is supposedly a backbone provider here in Canada) that now owns the /16 it is taken from because they ignore all attempts to try. The solution? Let it sit there doing nothing but hurt you when you try to get more PI address space in the future.
Send the following form to Hostmaster@internic.net & iana@isi.edu, changing the $NET_PREFIX to the network being returned.
(yes, the below is a different situation than the original poster)
And what exactly do you do if you have a small block (eg. /22) that you have zero use for anymore and want to get rid of but it is not allocated directly from the InterNIC but rather out of another provider's block (a /16 in this case)?
As one of the grim-reapers of address space I'd like to point out a change that should get placed into Phils RFC and an offer to the nanog community. hostmaster@internic.net is likely to be moot real soon now and Kims response that this should change to hostmaster@arin.net is a viable replacement is almost ok. However I'd point out that under the terms of the InterNic award, they were the NIC of first and last resort. I don't beleive this is the case with ARIN. Two, and perhaps of interest to members of this list, I'm collecting prefixes again for reclaimation. I've done the traditional /8 space twice and 192.0.0.0/8 once. Now I'm willing to track any/all prefixes that you beleive should be returned. I've already got a list of traditional /16s that folks think should be returned and some /24s as well. I'll even do this for small blocks as well. -- --bill
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Roy