Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis. Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message (including any attached or embedded documents) is intended for the exclusive and confidential use of the individual or entity to which this message is addressed, and unless otherwise expressly indicated, is confidential and privileged information of Rackspace. Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at abuse@rackspace.com, and delete the original message. Your cooperation is appreciated.
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Matt Newsom <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
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Yes, Juniper EX4500. -- Jeffrey Lyon, Leadership Team jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net | http://www.blacklotus.net Black Lotus Communications - AS32421 First and Leading in DDoS Protection Solutions
On 19/02/11 01:37, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Matt Newsom <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
Yes, Juniper EX4500. No.
from [1] "Layer 3 Protocols Not Supported on EX Series Switches" GRE Not supported 1: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos10.4/topics/reference/general/ex-...
On 2011-02-18 15:37, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Yes, Juniper EX4500.
Interesting: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos10.4/topics/reference/general/ex-... -- "There's no sense in being precise when | Łukasz Bromirski you don't know what you're talking | jid:lbromirski@jabber.org about." John von Neumann | http://lukasz.bromirski.net
Extreme 650, but not sure of the gre in hardware req. These are awesome switches, bgp support, VSS like clustering, and many other nice features. G ----- Original Message ----- From: Łukasz Bromirski [mailto:lukasz@bromirski.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:04 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware. On 2011-02-18 15:37, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Yes, Juniper EX4500.
Interesting: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos10.4/topics/reference/general/ex-... -- "There's no sense in being precise when | Łukasz Bromirski you don't know what you're talking | jid:lbromirski@jabber.org about." John von Neumann | http://lukasz.bromirski.net -- This message and any attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review or distribution by anyone other than the person for whom it was originally intended is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Opinions, conclusions or other information contained in this message may not be that of the organization.
Ugh they're nice except for the power supplies becoming a fireball & they're high dos rate. Ymmv Tammy Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:46, Greg Whynott <Greg.Whynott@oicr.on.ca> wrote:
Extreme 650, but not sure of the gre in hardware req. These are awesome switches, bgp support, VSS like clustering, and many other nice features.
G
----- Original Message ----- From: Łukasz Bromirski [mailto:lukasz@bromirski.net] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:04 AM To: nanog@nanog.org <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.
On 2011-02-18 15:37, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Yes, Juniper EX4500.
Interesting: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos10.4/topics/reference/general/ex-...
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Gah that should have read doa rate. @#$@#$ing autocorrect. sorry about that. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tammy A Wisdom" <tammy-lists@wiztech.biz> To: "Greg Whynott" <Greg.Whynott@oicr.on.ca> Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:22:27 AM Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.
Ugh they're nice except for the power supplies becoming a fireball & they're high dos rate. Ymmv Tammy
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On Feb 20, 2011, at 8:46, Greg Whynott <Greg.Whynott@oicr.on.ca> wrote:
Extreme 650, but not sure of the gre in hardware req. These are awesome switches, bgp support, VSS like clustering, and many other nice features.
G
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On 2011-02-18 15:37, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Yes, Juniper EX4500.
Interesting: http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos10.4/topics/reference/general/ex-...
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Matt Newsom wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
I'd imagine there is no such beast right now. Only one that comes to mind is the 6500/7600 but there is no fixed-configuration small box that fits your port needs, you need a 7604 to get that amount of ports. -- Mikael Abrahamsson email: swmike@swm.pp.se
On 2/19/11 5:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Matt Newsom wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
juniper mx80 can get 12x10GB using 2x 4x10Gb mics mx platform does gre in hardware.
I'd imagine there is no such beast right now. Only one that comes to mind is the 6500/7600 but there is no fixed-configuration small box that fits your port needs, you need a 7604 to get that amount of ports.
On 2/19/11 5:46 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 2/19/11 5:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Matt Newsom wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
juniper mx80 can get 12x10GB using 2x 4x10Gb mics mx platform does gre in hardware.
appologies it appears only the 2 x 10Gbe mic is supported, so that's 8...
I'd imagine there is no such beast right now. Only one that comes to mind is the 6500/7600 but there is no fixed-configuration small box that fits your port needs, you need a 7604 to get that amount of ports.
Those are the two options I am looking at now. Unfortunately both of those require the chassis tax and a decent amount of real estate and power. It looks like that is what I am going to be stuck with though because I can't seem to find anyone that has small 1-2U solution that can do the full shake and bake. -----Original Message----- From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joelja@bogus.com] Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 7:51 PM To: Mikael Abrahamsson Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware. On 2/19/11 5:46 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
On 2/19/11 5:31 PM, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Feb 2011, Matt Newsom wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
juniper mx80 can get 12x10GB using 2x 4x10Gb mics mx platform does gre in hardware.
appologies it appears only the 2 x 10Gbe mic is supported, so that's 8...
I'd imagine there is no such beast right now. Only one that comes to mind is the 6500/7600 but there is no fixed-configuration small box that fits your port needs, you need a 7604 to get that amount of ports.
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On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 12:00 AM, Matt Newsom <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote: [snip]
I can't seem to find anyone that has small 1-2U solution that can do the full shake and bake. [snip]
If you don't need "all ports, all-line-rate, all the time" ... you could rig it with two rack units. I'd dirty it up with something like: First U: Brocade CER2k 48 (NI-CER-2048CX-ADVPREM-DC) 2x 10 gig + 48 sfp Second U: Arista 7148SX (DCS-7148SX-R) -- 48x 10 gig Ridiculous config #1231512: -take CER 2x 10 gig XFP, configure LAG & trunk host-facing and transit-facing vlans towards Arista 7148 -configure remaining 46 sfp+ ports as access interfaces for hosts on 7148 -configure static GRE on CER2k, transit neighbors, etc. -remember to crank mtu's on * -if box-router traffic is hashable, you could slum it with N x 1gig port LAG's for more bits/sec between the 7148 and the CER2k Of course, if two or more hosts are active, chances are good their inside-tunnel packets won't hash to either side of the 2x10g lag from the 7148. If your app is using IP in a more i-mix profile, the inner traffic could then be likewise flow-dense, meaning the hashing will effectively permit you to utilize all 20 gbits. Arista hashes on 7-tuples, whereas CER is l2+3+4 + labels (if doing mpls, etc), as of v5.1. I hear rumors that Brocbroc will be doing 1u N x 10 gig box where N will hopefully be >= 8 ints... of course, that doesn't help you now. Lastly, one could employ a 6716 blade + sup720b non-xl (for cheapness) in 6503E/7603 chassis... but ugh -- 4u, and almost 2x the runtime wattage of the ghetto-rigged config, and *still* internally oversubscribed to not-quite-40 gigs per slot! -Tk
Potentially the Cisco 4900M. I can't find specifically about the GRE support however. My google-fu just finds discussion about v4 to v6 tunnels in software. The chassis has 8 built-in ports and two expansion modules that can each do another 4 TenG ports in a not-oversubscribed configuration. Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksmith@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
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The 4900M doesn't do GRE in hardware. -----Original Message----- From: Michael K. Smith - Adhost [mailto:mksmith@adhost.com] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:06 AM To: Matt Newsom; NANOG list Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware. Potentially the Cisco 4900M. I can't find specifically about the GRE support however. My google-fu just finds discussion about v4 to v6 tunnels in software. The chassis has 8 built-in ports and two expansion modules that can each do another 4 TenG ports in a not-oversubscribed configuration. Mike -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksmith@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D) On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
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On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X
10GE
ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
Hard to tell from the data sheet: http://www.xbridgeservices.com/images/files/7450_ess.pdf But it looks like the Alcatel-Lucent 7450 ESS-1 might do it. Not sure if it has 4, 8, or 12 10G ports, though. The data sheet is confusing to me and it would be oversubscribed but that might be OK in your applications.
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, George Bonser <gbonser@seven.com> wrote:
On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
Hard to tell from the data sheet:
http://www.xbridgeservices.com/images/files/7450_ess.pdf
But it looks like the Alcatel-Lucent 7450 ESS-1 might do it. Not sure if it has 4, 8, or 12 10G ports, though. The data sheet is confusing to me and it would be oversubscribed but that might be OK in your applications.
Brocade TurboIron 24X fits all of those criteria. -Jeff
Jeff, I would try the 4900M http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps6021/ps9310/Dat... <http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/switches/ps5718/ps6021/ps9310/Data_Sheet_Cat_4900M.html> Theo On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Jeff Hartley <intensifysecurity@gmail.com>wrote:
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, George Bonser <gbonser@seven.com> wrote:
On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X
10GE
ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
Hard to tell from the data sheet:
http://www.xbridgeservices.com/images/files/7450_ess.pdf
But it looks like the Alcatel-Lucent 7450 ESS-1 might do it. Not sure if it has 4, 8, or 12 10G ports, though. The data sheet is confusing to me and it would be oversubscribed but that might be OK in your applications.
Brocade TurboIron 24X fits all of those criteria.
-Jeff
-- Theo Sison Solutions Architect Google SNR: 720.663.THEO http://www.linkedin.com/in/tsison
From: Jeff Hartley Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 5:06 PM To: Matt Newsom; NANOG list Subject: Re: Switch with 10 Gig and GRE support in hardware.
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, George Bonser <gbonser@seven.com> wrote:
On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X 10GE ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
Hard to tell from the data sheet:
http://www.xbridgeservices.com/images/files/7450_ess.pdf
But it looks like the Alcatel-Lucent 7450 ESS-1 might do it. Not sure if it has 4, 8, or 12 10G ports, though. The data sheet is confusing to me and it would be oversubscribed but that might be OK in your applications.
Brocade TurboIron 24X fits all of those criteria.
-Jeff
Last time I checked, the TI24x wouldn't do GRE.
It was updated last year -- apparently handled in HW now.
24 ports of 10GE, routing, GRE, and small form-factor = everything the original inquiry listed.
FYI, -Jeff
No, not for TurboIron. FESX, FSX, and SX only in that line of code. It is a little confusing because the TurboIron uses the same configuration manual as the other ones I just listed, you have to look closely at the GRE section (search the doc for 2784 should put you in the right neighborhood). You will notice that the TurboIron is not mentioned. I also looked at the release notes up to 4.2.00c and nothing for GRE on TIX24, in fact, it won't even do PMTUD. IPv4 point-to-point GRE tunnels Platform Support: FESX, FSX and SX IPv6 devices running software release FSX 05.1.00 and later This section describes support for point-to-point Generic Routing Encapsulation (GRE) tunnels and how to configure them on a Brocade device. GRE tunnels support includes, but is not limited to, the following: * IPv4 over GRE tunnels. IPv6 over GRE tunnels is not supported. * Static and dynamic unicast routing over GRE tunnels * Multicast routing over GRE tunnels * Hardware forwarding of IP data traffic across a GRE tunnel. * Path MTU Discovery (PMTUD) In fact, if you go to Appendix B (RFC Support) on page 1768 there is a support matrix, you see under RFC 2784 Generic Routing Encapsulation go across to the TIX column and there is a big fat "NO" there. Looking at all the release notes in subsequent minor releases shows no GRE for TIX24 Maybe you have access to a version of code that isn't in GA yet.
Juniper MX80 does all this. On 1 Mar 2011, at 01:07, "Jeff Hartley" <intensifysecurity@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 3:15 PM, George Bonser <gbonser@seven.com> wrote:
On 2/18/11 6:30 AM, "Matt Newsom" <matt.newsom@rackspace.com> wrote:
I am looking for a switch with a minimum of 12 X
10GE
ports on it, that can has routing protocol support and can do GRE in hardware. Does anyone have a suggestion that might fit. Keep in mind I am looking for something in the 1-2U range and not a chassis.
Hard to tell from the data sheet:
http://www.xbridgeservices.com/images/files/7450_ess.pdf
But it looks like the Alcatel-Lucent 7450 ESS-1 might do it. Not sure if it has 4, 8, or 12 10G ports, though. The data sheet is confusing to me and it would be oversubscribed but that might be OK in your applications.
Brocade TurboIron 24X fits all of those criteria.
-Jeff
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