I'm a little late to this discussion but the first stage two alert (two days ago?) resulted from a large power plant going off-line for "unspecified reasons" to quote the spokesperson. Does make you go hmmm... -Al Rowland Just my 2¢, feel free to use your delete key. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:hannigan@fugawi.net] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:42 PM To: Gary E. Miller Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: CA Power At 03:03 PM 7/11/2002 -0700, Gary E. Miller wrote:
Yo Martin!
If there is plenty of power in CA then howcum there was a "stage 2" alert yesterday and a "market alert today"? Today's "projected demand" equaled "available resources" today If demand played out as expected there would have been big trouble in CA today.
A lot of data surrounding the Enron collapse suggests that power traders artificially manipulated CA's power market, and also suggests that a lot of the previous summers warnings of power problems were also artificially created. All over the country, building of "extra" capacity has slowed. Some due to new sources that came online, some due to the fact that a decrease in power was realized as a result of the falloff in the economy. Could it be that CA is experiencing a normal surge in power utilization and the warning is part of a normal cycle? Regards, -- Martin Hannigan hannigan@fugawi.net
yeah the scheduled and unscheduled maintenance thing is overwhelming for sure, seems to happen far too frequently. Someone asked why CA-ISO tellin a particular operator to not operate a couple generators didnt trigger news media hype, i wish I had the answer on that one. NIMBY as a force against building new plants is certainly a contributing factor also. Everyone wants cheap plentiful power, but doesn't want to see any evidence of its production or presence. If you want to do your part against what can only be called ridiculous utility practices, check out http://www.ucan.org. Brian On Fri, 12 Jul 2002, Rowland, Alan D wrote:
I'm a little late to this discussion but the first stage two alert (two days ago?) resulted from a large power plant going off-line for "unspecified reasons" to quote the spokesperson. Does make you go hmmm...
-Al Rowland
Just my 2�, feel free to use your delete key.
-----Original Message----- From: Martin Hannigan [mailto:hannigan@fugawi.net] Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 3:42 PM To: Gary E. Miller Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: CA Power
At 03:03 PM 7/11/2002 -0700, Gary E. Miller wrote:
Yo Martin!
If there is plenty of power in CA then howcum there was a "stage 2" alert yesterday and a "market alert today"? Today's "projected demand" equaled "available resources" today If demand played out as expected there would have been big trouble in CA today.
A lot of data surrounding the Enron collapse suggests that power traders artificially manipulated CA's power market, and also suggests that a lot of the previous summers warnings of power problems were also artificially created.
All over the country, building of "extra" capacity has slowed. Some due to new sources that came online, some due to the fact that a decrease in power was realized as a result of the falloff in the economy.
Could it be that CA is experiencing a normal surge in power utilization and the warning is part of a normal cycle?
Regards,
-- Martin Hannigan hannigan@fugawi.net
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