We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
Depends on how the techs in question learn best, but I've found that a good CCNA book (like the Lammle one) combined with either a network simulator (I like Boson, but packet tracer and GNS3 are both good too) or, better yet, physical hardware they can play with. Alternatively, if you have a local community college nearby that has the Cisco Academy curriculum, that's a great option as well. - http://www.amazon.com/CCNA-Routing-Switching-Study-Guide/dp/1118749618/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1414949721&sr=8-1&keywords=lammle+ccna On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
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I have a couple of techs who have done well with the offical cisco books and another couple who have passed using video training from CBT Nuggets. Depends on the user really, it seems the younger folks soak up the video training a bit easier while the more senior techs preferred to read the material.
On Nov 2, 2014, at 11:38 AM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design@gmail.com> wrote:
Depends on how the techs in question learn best, but I've found that a good CCNA book (like the Lammle one) combined with either a network simulator (I like Boson, but packet tracer and GNS3 are both good too) or, better yet, physical hardware they can play with. Alternatively, if you have a local community college nearby that has the Cisco Academy curriculum, that's a great option as well.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
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Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn things Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend. Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :) Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group. And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that). Cheers, Scott -----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
Does CBT or any of these other subscription based learning courses include a Cisco IOS simulator so we don't have to buy a Cisco lab or equipment? On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn thingsŠ
Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend.
Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :)
Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group.
And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that).
Cheers,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
You can grab GNS separately and for free, which will allow you to build the topologies that you are looking for. That is what is used to demonstrate most of the Cisco courses between the trainers. Scott From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM To: Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Re: Cisco CCNA Training Does CBT or any of these other subscription based learning courses include a Cisco IOS simulator so we don't have to buy a Cisco lab or equipment? On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote: Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn thingsŠ Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend. Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :) Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group. And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that). Cheers, Scott -----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
GNS3, while unofficial, is what I'd recommend for that. On 11/11/2014 午後 11:59, Colton Conor wrote:
Does CBT or any of these other subscription based learning courses include a Cisco IOS simulator so we don't have to buy a Cisco lab or equipment?
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn thingsŠ
Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend.
Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :)
Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group.
And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that).
Cheers,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
YYC Net Lab (of which I am a co-founder) went through the trouble of forming a not-for-profit company and gaining access to Cisco's official Network Academy content. The process is a little painful to setup, but you get access to all the content including Packet Tracer. I still use GNS3 because not all functionality is present in Packet Tracer. If you're just looking for CCNA material, Packet Tracer is enough to get you your cert. If anyone is interested in learning more about the process to get access to NetAcad content, feel free to contact me off list. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Paul S. <contact@winterei.se> wrote:
GNS3, while unofficial, is what I'd recommend for that.
On 11/11/2014 午後 11:59, Colton Conor wrote:
Does CBT or any of these other subscription based learning courses include a Cisco IOS simulator so we don't have to buy a Cisco lab or equipment?
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn
thingsŠ
Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend.
Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :)
Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group.
And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that).
Cheers,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in
general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
Many of these subscription based courses do not include a Cisco IOS simulator. That's a Cisco IOS licensing hot potato that's generally more trouble than value added to the course. Not to mention having to build and maintain it. For a CCNA level lab, the equipment is cheap off E-Bay, 2 x 2950's 2 x 1841's approx $300 If your really really looking to cut costs and are dead set on a simulator here are some of your options: You can look into GNS3 , however you will have to provide your own IOS images. It's the de-facto standard for router emulation all non-Cisco Network Academy students. Switching functionality has recently been added, but I haven't tried it , so can't vouch for it's usefulness. Or you can purchase the Boson network simulator. Cisco has one of their own that is provided to their Network Academy students, which of course, requires that you enroll in a Cisco Network Academy program. (at a participating learning center ) Worth it, the 4 or so semesters usually covers more than just the exam objectives. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Does CBT or any of these other subscription based learning courses include a Cisco IOS simulator so we don't have to buy a Cisco lab or equipment?
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn thingsŠ
Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend.
Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :)
Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group.
And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that).
Cheers,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
The CSR1000v (http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/routers/cloud-services-router-1000v-se...) runs on normal VM infrastructure, and will do (almost?) everything required from a routing perspective to pass everything up to the CCIE R&S. It requires a license to use it for proper traffic loads, but is free to use for lab purposes. More info on how this can be done under VMWare can be found here: http://www.rogerperkin.co.uk/ccie/index.php/ccie-version-5/ccie-virtual-rack... On 11 November 2014 15:14, Dave Jodhan <davejodhan@gmail.com> wrote:
Many of these subscription based courses do not include a Cisco IOS simulator. That's a Cisco IOS licensing hot potato that's generally more trouble than value added to the course. Not to mention having to build and maintain it. For a CCNA level lab, the equipment is cheap off E-Bay, 2 x 2950's 2 x 1841's approx $300
If your really really looking to cut costs and are dead set on a simulator here are some of your options: You can look into GNS3 , however you will have to provide your own IOS images. It's the de-facto standard for router emulation all non-Cisco Network Academy students. Switching functionality has recently been added, but I haven't tried it , so can't vouch for it's usefulness.
Or you can purchase the Boson network simulator.
Cisco has one of their own that is provided to their Network Academy students, which of course, requires that you enroll in a Cisco Network Academy program. (at a participating learning center ) Worth it, the 4 or so semesters usually covers more than just the exam objectives.
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
Does CBT or any of these other subscription based learning courses include a Cisco IOS simulator so we don't have to buy a Cisco lab or equipment?
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
Depends on how quickly you want them trained, and how they tend to learn thingsŠ
Reading is good, but can be boring and tedious and not always have all the answers. Standard ILT can be costly, but very quick and often standard (though I¹d shop around for who you have as an instructor since that can make or break the success)! Video-based training gives a good mix of things and there are options out there. I know there¹s been one other response for CBT Nuggets, which I would definitely recommend.
Take that with a grain of salt (and I¹m ok with that) since I do some work for them now. However, I would have recommended them even before I started developing training for them. :)
Jeremy Cioara teaches the CCNA courses for CBT, and he is quite animated and very knowledgeable. He will definitely get all the necessary points across. In addition to the certification courses you mentioned, there are also many ³real world² variants of materials as well, which give a different slant to the teachings that you may find useful for your group.
And being a subscription cost, you can watch as many different things as you¹d like rather than being limited to one course. Something worth checking out. Don¹t take my word for it, go look for yourself (or have your group do that).
Cheers,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> Date: Sunday, November 2, 2014 at 1:02 PM To: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> Subject: Cisco CCNA Training
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
You might look at your local community college's offerings. Probably better bang for the buck than many other offerings. On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
Hi, On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Joel Maslak <jmaslak@antelope.net> wrote:
You might look at your local community college's offerings. Probably better bang for the buck than many other offerings.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
I would agree with considering face-to-face offerings; especially if it is run with evening classes or at times the employee can access without affecting work. It's how I first started my CCNA and I really appreciated having access to a real physical lab, library, instructors and other students. Though this was way back before Cisco's all-singing all-dancing website with it's 'online' lab. Quite often you can also use CCNA courses at a real college as part of a more general qualification and they often offer other courses that it can be handy for staff to have, like CompTIA's Security+ if you are doing any MOD or Federal contracting. And as has been said they are normally quite cheap for what you get. However, have you considered actually asking the techs how they learn best? Alex
https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20499 The learning lab looks like very good option. On Nov 3, 2014 5:52 AM, "Alex Brooks" <askoorb+nanog@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Joel Maslak <jmaslak@antelope.net> wrote:
You might look at your local community college's offerings. Probably better bang for the buck than many other offerings.
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
I would agree with considering face-to-face offerings; especially if it is run with evening classes or at times the employee can access without affecting work. It's how I first started my CCNA and I really appreciated having access to a real physical lab, library, instructors and other students. Though this was way back before Cisco's all-singing all-dancing website with it's 'online' lab.
Quite often you can also use CCNA courses at a real college as part of a more general qualification and they often offer other courses that it can be handy for staff to have, like CompTIA's Security+ if you are doing any MOD or Federal contracting. And as has been said they are normally quite cheap for what you get.
However, have you considered actually asking the techs how they learn best?
Alex
This guy got funding and made a free series that teaches CCNA. I'm not sure how good it is, but it's free. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmdYg02XJt6QRQfYjyQcMPfS3mrSnFbRC http://www.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/25mmoo/a_year_ago_i_asked_for_help... On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Colton Conor <colton.conor@gmail.com> wrote:
We have a couple of techs that want to learn cisco and networking in general. What do you recommend for learning and getting certified on Cisco? There seems to be a million different training courses, books, etc out there.
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