Would anyone have information or knowledge of books, WWW Sites, or other means that would provide details on constructing a state of the art NOC to support 75000+ nodes in a LAN/MAN/WAN environment Thanks in advance JC
Would anyone have information or knowledge of books, WWW Sites, or other means that would provide details on constructing a state of the art NOC to support 75000+ nodes in a LAN/MAN/WAN environment
Thanks in advance JC
No books, it's all experience. Martin Hannigan V:617.500.0108 Director - Data Networks F:617.500.0002 XCOM Technologies, INC. hannigan@xcom.net Cambridge, MA http://www.xcom.net
I think I'd disagree with that. Where would all you folks be if you never picked up a book? You wouldn't be reading this list. Seriously, while there's not an ORA "How to Build a NOC" book with some cute animal on the cover, there is some information out there worth reading. I'd suggest digging through some telco info (if you'd like to consider a CO a NOC). Also, there should be plenty of people on this list that work in or have even designed decent sized NOCs. You can also cheat and go browsing as a prospective customer at someplace like Exodus or any other colo facility that is well-managed and modern. You can actually learn quite a bit by just looking around... Hopefully some of the startup NSPs will answer here, as the experience should still be fresh in their minds... Charles ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Charles Sprickman Internet Channel INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 spork@inch.com access@inch.com On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Hannigan <hannigan@xcom.net> To: John_W_Connors@res.raytheon.com Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Building a NOC
Would anyone have information or knowledge of books, WWW Sites, or other means that would provide details on constructing a state of the art NOC to support 75000+ nodes in a LAN/MAN/WAN environment
Thanks in advance JC
No books, it's all experience.
Martin Hannigan V:617.500.0108 Director - Data Networks F:617.500.0002 XCOM Technologies, INC. hannigan@xcom.net Cambridge, MA http://www.xcom.net
Or you could bypass all that, fork over a little money and hire a consultant that has done it many times, to come in and tell ya exactly how to do everything. Then you will not have to learn the hard-way of trial and error. Since we are talking about a 75,000 node network, I don't think too many errors would be looked very highly upon... Luke 1-800-789-6062 x3010 At 02:51 PM 3/16/98 -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote:
I think I'd disagree with that. Where would all you folks be if you never picked up a book? You wouldn't be reading this list. Seriously, while there's not an ORA "How to Build a NOC" book with some cute animal on the cover, there is some information out there worth reading.
I'd suggest digging through some telco info (if you'd like to consider a CO a NOC). Also, there should be plenty of people on this list that work in or have even designed decent sized NOCs. You can also cheat and go browsing as a prospective customer at someplace like Exodus or any other colo facility that is well-managed and modern. You can actually learn quite a bit by just looking around...
Hopefully some of the startup NSPs will answer here, as the experience should still be fresh in their minds...
Charles
~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Charles Sprickman Internet Channel INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 spork@inch.com access@inch.com
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Hannigan <hannigan@xcom.net> To: John_W_Connors@res.raytheon.com Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Building a NOC
Would anyone have information or knowledge of books, WWW Sites, or other means that would provide details on constructing a state of the art
NOC to
support 75000+ nodes in a LAN/MAN/WAN environment
Thanks in advance JC
No books, it's all experience.
Martin Hannigan V:617.500.0108 Director - Data Networks F:617.500.0002 XCOM Technologies, INC. hannigan@xcom.net Cambridge, MA http://www.xcom.net
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Correct. There are people who build NOC's for a living. You dont want to know all the details of generators, floors, AC, power loads, BTU's, heat exhaust, etc.. all of which has to be negotiated according to local county and state rules and regs, building owner regs -- its a massive undertaking to do it right, there are people who do soley this and are good at it. Stb On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Luke Parrish wrote:
Or you could bypass all that, fork over a little money and hire a consultant that has done it many times, to come in and tell ya exactly how to do everything. Then you will not have to learn the hard-way of trial and error. Since we are talking about a 75,000 node network, I don't think too many errors would be looked very highly upon...
Luke 1-800-789-6062 x3010
At 02:51 PM 3/16/98 -0500, Charles Sprickman wrote:
I think I'd disagree with that. Where would all you folks be if you never picked up a book? You wouldn't be reading this list. Seriously, while there's not an ORA "How to Build a NOC" book with some cute animal on the cover, there is some information out there worth reading.
I'd suggest digging through some telco info (if you'd like to consider a CO a NOC). Also, there should be plenty of people on this list that work in or have even designed decent sized NOCs. You can also cheat and go browsing as a prospective customer at someplace like Exodus or any other colo facility that is well-managed and modern. You can actually learn quite a bit by just looking around...
Hopefully some of the startup NSPs will answer here, as the experience should still be fresh in their minds...
Charles
~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~ Charles Sprickman Internet Channel INCH System Administration Team (212)243-5200 spork@inch.com access@inch.com
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Martin Hannigan wrote:
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:14:47 -0500 (EST) From: Martin Hannigan <hannigan@xcom.net> To: John_W_Connors@res.raytheon.com Cc: nanog@merit.edu Subject: Re: Building a NOC
Would anyone have information or knowledge of books, WWW Sites, or other means that would provide details on constructing a state of the art
NOC to
support 75000+ nodes in a LAN/MAN/WAN environment
Thanks in advance JC
No books, it's all experience.
Martin Hannigan V:617.500.0108 Director - Data Networks F:617.500.0002 XCOM Technologies, INC. hannigan@xcom.net Cambridge, MA http://www.xcom.net
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Luke Parrish * Email ciscokid@iamerica.net * * LDS-iAmerica, ISP * Pager 1-800-789-6062 x3910 * * Network Engineer * Phone 1-800-789-6062 x3010 * * AS 4958 ICQ 3606426 * http://cust.iamerica.net/lparrish * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * I love the Internet, and you should too. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
S.T.Balbach wrote:
Correct. There are people who build NOC's for a living. You dont want to know all the details of generators, floors, AC, power loads, BTU's, heat exhaust, etc.. all of which has to be negotiated according to local county and state rules and regs, building owner regs -- its a massive undertaking to do it right, there are people who do soley this and are good at it.
Anyone care to chime in as 'an expert'? I'd love to talk to a NOCMeister about building one. Cheers, Scott Kozicki BlueStar Communications -- "If you don't get this message, please let me know and I will send you another one."
On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, Scott Kozicki wrote:
S.T.Balbach wrote:
Correct. There are people who build NOC's for a living. You don't want to know all the details of generators, floors, AC, power loads, BTU's, heat exhaust, etc.. all of which has to be negotiated according to local county and state rules and regs, building owner regs -- its a massive undertaking to do it right, there are people who do soley this and are good at it.
Anyone care to chime in as 'an expert'?
I'd love to talk to a NOCMeister about building one.
I have built 8 colos so far with 10 - 200 racks and 2 NOCs. I have done everything from design all of the systems to actually laying block. There is WAY to much that goes into building a colo to talk about this on this list. If you want more info send me some email and I may be able to help you out. P.S. Not all of my colo centers were airplane proof as one person at NANOG kindly noted. :-) -- Nathan Stratton Telecom & ISP Consulting www.robotics.net nathan@robotics.net
Cheers, Scott Kozicki BlueStar Communications -- "If you don't get this message, please let me know and I will send you another one."
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Scott Kozicki